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Besides my efforts to prove to you that your list is a single-minded view, you still continue with your pathetic list, deliberately keeping out what you think is unimportant.

I'm leaving this topic and I this time I will not return.
Besides your efforts, we will continue doing business with the P1.
Non-touch screen Nokias can not (and will not) replace the UIQ.

Have fun with your toy.
LAU out.

[ This Message was edited by: _LAU_ on 2007-12-13 13:50 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-13 14:49:04
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@mib1800
Just to be precise,
as I wrote at least P990 supports FULL one handed usage so it doesn't count at all,
since also some S60 devices need two hands to fully operate it, and it's a conscious producers choice, not drawback.
Also, this download with one click seems quite overhyped since I dwonload whatever I want with one click (TS).
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Posted: 2007-12-13 14:49:32
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You know, I'm really lusting for that lightsaber app..
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Posted: 2007-12-13 20:15:24
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I thought some p990 functions cannot be used in flip close mode.
The download! is an app itself. Once you start it, it presents to you category of software in an icon based menu. You select the one you want and click and it will download and install for you. Does SE provide you with such an app (i.e. without navigating thru browser).

Anyway any function can have its equivalent. It is a matter of ease of use. You can see the list anyway you want but those points listed are valid and significant. It is no mystery that there are more bundled apps in S60v3 as Nokia are churning more of them (e.g. from betalabs). Some apps are pre-installed on certain phones. Some are not. Most apps are available for download for free. But some are not (.e.g business card scanner app for N73 - but I did not include this in the list )



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Posted: 2007-12-14 01:41:21
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..so your point is that..? Even though the s60 interface sucks, it has so many programs for download that it just about ends up on par with the p1 as far as usefulness is concerned? (Apart from the cumbersome UI, I mean).
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Posted: 2007-12-14 03:42:12
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not even close to the best.. like all ui's it has some nice things it does well and better then others... but it also has A LOT of learn from...


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Posted: 2007-12-14 04:29:45
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@Nipsen

In some of your posts what you say is correct and valid, even if was surprised to see you critical of SE and UIQ.

But this view you have of S60 is just so wrong, fair enough if you don't like it for whatever reason is irrelevant but your constant it sucks it crashes hangs etc etc is just so far from reality it's unreal.

If this OS was even 10% as bad as you appear to believe just how does it manage to sell so many devices and continue to grow then? Surely that just wouldn't be possible what developer would bother with apps for such an unstable OS with such a terrible and ugly UI?

As i said you don't have to like or use it but give some credit to an OS that is used daily by Millions of happy users and for both Business and Multimedia.

To be blunt about it and i used to use love UIQ, but if it was so freaking amazing and just so much better than S60 or WM6 it would outsell them or at least be level pegging which it isn't not even close is it?.

You are living in the past the P800 was groundbreaking and was a technological breakthrough, the P900, P910 took it to the next level and the P990 should of advanced this further but it didn't.

It appears SE have woken up at last which was shown by the last minute pulling of the P5 as although some where more than happy with the alleged spec's they where very of the now if not already old. My N93 had the OMAP 2420 in August/September 2006, then with the N95 it gained HSDPA and now Demand Paging and 128mb Ram.

I anticipate Data is going to grow very rapidly next year and more people will use smart phones than ever before, but tis growth will not come form the Buisness sector it is going to be Multimedia and Web2.0, Blogging, uploading pictures and inter acting with social networks that is going to drive growth.

Personally i think SE released this as well and that is why in MO they are upping the spec's for the P5, I also believe it is going to be more Multimedia focused than just a business device. which is what it looks like to me from the photo shopped pictures. I just really hope they deliver what it promises as if it does I'll buy it and return to SE/UIQ even though i hate the Opera browsers so far maybe 9 will change my mind.

But as someone that has used Ericsson and the SE for 20 odd years of course i want and expect a killer spec flagship product and I'll pay a premium price for it. Just like i did for M600 and no 2 firmwares in the time it took was nowhere near good enough and there was no way i was going to use a device close to year for it to get right and then have support stopped so SE lost me.

I liked both the P1 and W960 especially as UIQ3 is now very different to how it was then if the original trio of UIQ3 devices where as they are now everyone would of been raving about UIQ3 and SE and UIQ would of grown.

The problem i have with both of them is the now very old Nexperia chip and all the limitations it brings not having HSDPA in a Data centric device second half of 2007 is just absurd not having it is enough to rule it out for me.

My current device is my last with the Omap2420 chip and I'm expecting 7.2mbps HSDPA to in my next device which may well be a return to a Touchscreen but not sure of that. The secret is never to rule anything out just because of an OS or manufacturer as that really is self defeating.

Marc



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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-14 16:15 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-14 04:41:01
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Fair points, I guess. But we seem to have about completely opposing priorities on the things that would make a device useful. I would be willing to sacrifice quite a lot, including everything from animated icons and anti- aliased graphics, to 3d- acceleration and HSDPA, if the battery life would be longer, the unit more stable, and would lose power in a more predictable way. Or, the only way I would think a new feature would be useful, is if adding that tech would not require a completely different hardware profile, bus- speed, ram- speed and cpu- power, and so on.

But then again, I don't see the commercial value in selling bad quality music for 4 dollars each, either. Or believe building out 3,5g networks is going to give any profit for the phone- companies before they end up offering large subscription- services (that means you need to have your phone plugged in constantly to have any use for it, etc.).

So, until we get better power- cells, I think we have room in the market for a broadly positioned multimedia- device, as well as a more minimalistic phone with pda- functionality.
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Posted: 2007-12-14 06:02:47
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Hi Nipsen,

I do disagree agree the Networks spent a lot of money on their 3G Licenses and contrary to what they thought Video calling has not been the income generator they thought. Both voice calls and texts prices have continued to fall due to competition most markets are either at saturation or close and they only area for growth is Data. But as i said the growth of a seamless Multimedia and Web2.0 access will drive growth, as i pointed out the increased speeds over what 3G offers is not vital for sending and receiving E-Mails and documents. But Multimedia type activities produce higher bandwidth dependant applications and here the increased Data speeds of HSDPA make a lot of difference to the user experience.

I believe this idea that a smart phone is primarily a Buisness device and for Buisness use is an outdated model only time will tell who is right.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-14 13:14 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-14 14:14:01
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Guys that's so obvious that Smartphones are driving the same direction as Laptops, actually start to be little pocket computers. Because of that all the abilities will grow, as much media as much "office". Nobody will limit it, since processors and memory of devices will soon reach level of laptops from 1 - 2 years behind.
The same as there are no computers limited to one way of usage.
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Posted: 2007-12-14 15:56:25
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