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On 2008-05-24 06:57:13, se_dude wrote:
^^^but the official X1 video had auto-rotate in it...
Yeah, but the whole phone was spinning in mid-air by itself too!
So I wouldn't go by that.
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Posted: 2008-05-24 08:30:08
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Hi all
I really think a lot of you have managed to get the Battery figures well out of context as they are best case scenarios. Really who is going to have and X1 and just leave it running but not use it? as that really defeats the whole purpose of having it in the first place. Yes a 1500aMh Li-Polymer battery is excellent no two ways about it but best case figures and real world use are going to be miles apart.
Especially any processor intensive tasks or things that have more than static images on the 3" screen are all going to use power. Maybe it would be a good idea yet again to see what happens with the delivered product before getting to excited. No i am not saying the battery is going to rubbish but this 8 weeks battery life is a joke if you get a day and half to two days with heavy use you will be doing really well IMO.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-25 19:01 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-24 13:07:03
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As stated in the white paper:
Standby time:
GSM 580 hours (best case)
UMTS 833 hours (best case)
Talktime:
GSM 10 hours (best case)
UMTS 6.5 hours (best case)
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Posted: 2008-05-24 13:25:17
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@Dogmann
I'm not counting on 8 weeks of stand-by time. HTC Dimanond has 900MaH battery and they say it will be enough because the processor won't need so much power. X1 uses the same processor so I guess the battery will really perform well. The screen is bigger, but I still think 1500Mah will outperform 900Mah.
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Posted: 2008-05-24 18:47:38
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this is going to be great! so eager to see how X1 performs
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Posted: 2008-05-24 19:15:38
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@WhyBe
We can all read and know what it says but how much power will the panels running use? How much will Web browsing use? How much will push E-Mail use? Looking at your Calender use? Listening to Music or watching a Video or anything else you will use your X1 for it's not just talking that uses power is it? As i said a 1500aMh battery is great but until it's in real use it doesn't really say a lot especially as those are already best case times quoted. Especially as we know it has a big powerful processor and that WM is a processor intensive OS.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-24 18:57 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-24 19:56:14
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nevertheless dogmann and others, long standby times are advantageous because it means when the phone is not being used it uses far less battery than phones without such good standby, leaving more battery reserve for non-standby use. Most people will charge a phone every night or two so being able to leave the phone uncharged for weeks on end is not really an advantage. The real advantage of long standby times is not that you can leave it on standby for 5 weeks (not 8 weeks as you claim btw) but that less power is used while the phone is not being used, meaning more power is kept in reserve for non-standby use.
So long standby figures actually mean that less battery is wasted during the day when the phone is not being used therefore leaving more battery for non-standby time compared to a phone that uses more power in standby mode.
If two phones have equivalent talk time but one has a much longer standby time, then the phone with longer standby time will give more effective talk time. The only time this doesn't apply is if the phone is never in standby mode, which would mean you would have to talk straight for 10 hours everyday. Most people talk for no more than 3-4 hours a day (most usually a lot less) so good standby times significantly increase the time between recharge. To write off long standby times as pointless because no one leaves a phone on standby for 5 weeks completely misses the point of reducing a phone's power use in standby mode.
Since the phone is not being used and battery power is essentially wasted in standby mode, in the perfect world a phone would use Zero power in standby mode (this would equate to a standby period equal to the battery shelf life), leaving all the battery's power available for talk time (or other uses). Of course this is currently not possible because the phone needs power to keep in communication with the cell tower, but who knows what future technology might bring?
Regarding the 256MB, okay so the phone was slow with 128 so thy upped it to 256, why is this a proof the phone is slow?? Surely they are doing the right thing and simply giving the phone the resources it needs?
If you bought a computer with 512MB of ram and it was slow, would you blame the OS, or would you just go out and buy another stiock of memory?
A phone needs what it needs. If SE increased the memory this is only a sign that they are attending to it's needs, not a sign the software is poorly written. I can't believe people moaned that X1 hasn't enough memory, and now that it has more they are complaining that it's a sign of the phone software being dodgy
The new whitepaper has brought two seriously major advantages to the X1 platform, and some people just can't help but twist it into something bad (or at best inconsequential). These are major improvements to the spec and ought to be applauded.
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Posted: 2008-05-24 19:58:22
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Amen!
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Posted: 2008-05-24 20:16:45
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@Max Wedge
I didn't say it was or is going to be terrible but unless or until we know wether or not lets say the panels are running for those figures or if anything was running they mean very little don't they? All i was doing was suggesting some that were getting hysterical about the incredible battery life wait till it is released before getting quite so excited. But maybe some of you should check out BengleBoys review where his mentions battery life for more information.
I don't know if you meant to re address the second part of your post about RAM to all but can't see why it is addressed to me. As again until we see the X1 in action no one really knows just how fast it will be and just how much Ram the panels will or will not use. But i agree adding the extra can't be seen as a bad move and don't really understand how anyone could think it is.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2008-05-25 19:03 ]
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Posted: 2008-05-25 20:00:21
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@dogmann, I was only addressing the first part to yourself, the rest was just a general response to what a few other people had said. Sorry I didn't make that clearer.
I agree there is no need to get hysterical about the long standby time, but I do think it has a significant flow on affect for talktime in average use. If the battery specs were given in power use and not hours, it would be more obvious how low power consumption in standby mode can ultimately improve talktime. Of course if you sit down to a wifi session for a couple of hours, or have a day were you talk all day, then the low power consumption of standby time doesn't make much difference.
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Posted: 2008-05-25 23:13:14
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