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Are you a expert with symbian? I'm not.... but maybe one program do that or a good configuration can resolve this...
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Posted: 2008-06-19 20:14:56
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I did search for an alternative mp3 player and did find UltraMP3, but it wouldn't install. Haven't been able to find others, but I've given up now, so I'm not looking anymore.
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Posted: 2008-06-19 20:38:49
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Maybe you can find here:

http://symbiansmaluco.blogspot.com/


Somes links:

Corecodec player 1.12 (Very good!): http://symbiansmaluco.blogspo[....]ec-player-verso-112-e-120.html

New MP3 player v.3.50+EQ: http://gallery.mobile9.com/f/29203/


Oggplay: http://symbianoggplay.sourceforge.net/


LCG Jukebox: http://www.4shared.com/file/3[....]ox_214_217_e_218__Mod.html?s=1

http://www.4shared.com/file/4[....]15fdc/LCG_Jukebox_230.html?s=1


Mp3 players review: http://www.symbian-review.com[....]r-software-for-series-603.html

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[ This Message was edited by: Guto_ViP on 2008-06-19 21:58 ]
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Posted: 2008-06-19 22:54:57
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Mr. Lou, im using LCG Jukebox... good player!


I saw waht you said about N82 isnt have smile for animated SMS, so i found a perfect program for this... Call Zensis Animated SMS


I found another essential program, one for call record... call Ultimate Voice Recorder...

I uploaded them:

http://rapidshare.com/files/1[....]ate_VR_e_Animated_SMS.zip.html


Test and tell me what do you thing.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 00:35:59
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Are those games specifically developed for SE phones?



This is the most ridiculous I have ever heard. You just pull those figures out of where?

I have no problem running Java apps on S60 since donkey years ago. The only thing is Java app takes slightly longer to startup in S60.

Some of my commonly used apps are Java like Opera mini, Yahoo Go, Gmail and quite a few Java games.



Why dont you share with us what you have on your super-duper SE Java phone that cannot be replicated in Symbian?

You said you went to AAS to check software but the funny thing is you can't even go to the correct section i.e. S60V3. UltraMP3? As far as I remember this is only available for s60v2 and the developer has not updated it for v3. Of course you cannot install it.

On my N82, I am using so many apps like IVCM, SkyeQuikey, BestProfiles, Fring, MobiTubia, miniGPS, CorePlayer, RescoViewer, SMS Chat or TomTom which can do so much and there is no Java equivalent. I bet your SE Java super-duper phone cannot do any of these period.

And if you dont know what these apps do maybe now you know how to go to the correct place to get the information.



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Posted: 2008-06-20 04:52:06
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Mr Lou,

Just to let you know that some respondents are not a SE user as advance as you. Some simply don’t get it

As user of both brands, I can relate to what you are saying and can agree with some of your points. For example I agree that the inability to soften the sound while playing game is a disadvantage, even for N-gage game like asphalt. Either it plays loudly or off. I do agree that free inbuilt smilies on SE is nice to use and work seamlessly unlike the third party solution. UI wise, Nokia’s symbian software has its own advantage but so does SE.

Personally for non-smart phones I will take SE A100/A200 over Nokia S40 anytime. Between S60 and UIQ, I will take S60 anytime.

Problem arises when need to choose between S60 and A200. Neither is perfect. Both have its strong and weakness which mean user needs to compromise and have to live with it.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 08:05:40
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Sometimes they are using certain API's that is available on Sony Ericsson phones yes. But where Sony Ericsson phones also implement Nokia APIs (such as the Nokia UI, meaning Sony Ericsson phones run "Nokia Java games" fine), Nokia seems to leave out many APIs that would otherwise make it more compatible, for example a simple 3d API as mentioned by strizlow800).
Our own two games however, doesn't use any special APIs, so they run on MANY devices without problems. Except they run quite slow on smartphones. Java just runs slow on smartphones. Try running som benchmarks apps.


Both personal experience over a long time, and the general perspective of Java ME developers. Feel free to go to a JavaME forum and ask. Most of the time they won't even support smartphones because there's too much trouble with them.


Good for you. I'm actually interested in knowing what these games are, if you don't mind sharing. I'm not surprised about the apps working, since they rarely require any special APIs, and the authors are bigger companies with experience who knows about workarounds when it comes to JVM bugs.


Nothing in particular, but I have volume control for one thing, and I have a bunch of APIs the lets me run a whole lot of Java games you cannot run on your Symbian, and the ones you can run will run slower.
I never said Java could do anything that couldn't theoretically be replicated in Symbian. I'm saying the reserved: Symbian can't do much that can't be replicated in Java.
Also remember this is not about Java vs Symbian. This is about Nokia N82 vs....hm... well, W800 even. I have nice SMS features, nice radio reception, great media player etc.


Well actually someone recommended me UltraMP3 and I went to the authors site without checking the list of compatible devices, just assuming it would work since it was recommended. But it's a good example of the lack of compatibility again. On plain Java phones most things will run (except on Nokia's Symbian devices of course). But of course, I wouldn't need to hunt down and purchase many apps for my Sony Ericsson java phone since they already include all the stuff. No wonder N82 is cheaper.


I'm sure you're right about those applications have better features. I just think the included applications in Sony Ericssons are quite sufficient and doesn't lack any options for most users. I don't know about TomTom, but from what I hear WayFinder isn't that bad. Anyway, I can tell you when I get my C905.
IVCM is one of the type of apps you will have to do without on Java phones (for now) yes. As mentioned quite a few times (also in our previous discussion about this area), I'm not claiming Java can do all the things you can do with Symbian. You have options on a Symbian device you don't have on a Java phone, and vice versa. I'm merely saying that in most cases, you don't need a Symbian device, since the stuff you spend time on finding for your Symbian device is already either preinstalled in the Sony Ericsson java phone, though in a version with different and probably reduced features, but without lacking anything you need, or else you can find a Java equivalent quite capable of serving your needs. And I'd much rather go that way. (And still don't forget this isn't only about Java vs Symbian).

I have now at least given the N82 Symbian S60v3 a chance. I even bought some programmes and another headset in the fight, and my conclusion is that it just can't give me what I want. There are so many things lacking I can't believe it. I don't need a device that can theoretically do everything, but forces me to search for most applications which I find out doesn't exist after having tried 3 candidates, or else it does exist but have an insane price due to a small market. And when I'm done searching and installing candidates, I need to recharge the battery....great.

If you're happy with your Nokia Symbian phone, being unable to listen to proper radio in stereo, needing to recharge it daily because you're running IVCM and other apps in the background, has no need of listening to music in your Java games, not being able to use smileys in your SMS or else not being able to see name of the people you've sent SMS to, then good for you. But I need those things, and I'm not sacrificing those for being able to automatically switch my profile based on when I plug in my charger, or whatever.

Anyway, we will never agree on this. There's no point in keeping debating it. I'll always be able to argue against your statements, and vice versa. It just comes down to personal preference, and we're obviously finding it rather difficult believing the other part's point of view.

But we *could* take up another debate, when I get my C905. Let's compare C905 with e.g. N95 or N96 or whatever device you have by then. You throw apps, features and options in my face and I throw some in yours. Let's put both devices to the test then. I'll PM you by then? Could be interesting for other people to read, since it'll be a fight by two obviously very dedicated people. As I see it, there won't be a winner. There'll only be clarification about what phone offers exactly what in details, and thus help people choose. Then we *could* have a vote afterwards. How about it?
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Posted: 2008-06-20 09:07:38
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I support that statement. My friends' Nokias are always having a hard time running the games I send to them. They just don't show up properly... in the best of cases.
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Posted: 2008-06-20 09:19:31
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Since you are so well versed in SE/Nokia Java, it would not take you much (or would it? ) to give us a rundown on what are the differences between the Java implementation in S60 and your beloved SE.



Since you are the one who made this categorical "claim", why dont you back it up with some links from Java developers website.




You only interested in games?? Why dont you get some ngage games then. It will blow whatever Java ones you have out of the water.

I have a lot of Java games from Gameloft which play without issue.



Most newer games have option to set volume. Havent we been thru this. Why are u nitpicking?



Put your money where your mouth is and give us the names of the game from major Java game developers that are not supported on S60.



Are you joking? Comparing W800 to N82. Maybe you should get a reality check.



What are the things that are pre-installed on your SE that are not available on out-of box S60 other than the smileys.

I can tell you there are a lot the other way round.



Why are you so presumptous? Have you really own a N82 or you are just pulling our legs? The last time I use my radio on my N82, I remember it being stereo. And I dont need to recharge every day.



You are right. I dont really need smileys because 93% of people I sms to can't see the smileys anyway. And most of the time I can set volume in Java games so no problem there.

But I can't live without automatic profile as then I would need to remember to turn on/off silent when in meeting etc. I also can't do without a call manager which manage my call (like reject record etc)



We (maybe except you) already know what C905 CANNOT do compared to N82.




If we talk about functionality, we already have a winner (N82/95/96). Then again you are only interested in smileys and volume control. What can I say.



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Posted: 2008-06-20 11:08:59
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@Mr Lou

You really can't be serious in trying to compare a dumb phone with a smart phone? or can you? as really that's just dumb isn't it?

Now if you don't want or need a smart phone fair enough, even if you don't like Nokia or S60 no one says you have to like or use it. But saying it's rubbish based purely or your wants and needs is just not right.

Quite simply there is no one phone that is best for all same as their is no one OS that suits all. But it would seem from the sales of S60 and the N series many people disagree with you. Especially as this OS and series of devices from Nokia out sells your beloved SE by quite some margin. SE users are falling and SE is losing market position due to their devices to the competition and there must be a reason for this. So although many SE fans feel their device and UI is the best the majority of users simply don't agree do they? as otherwise they would of reached NO:2 by now instead of slipping to No:5

Also maybe you should read around the Forum for the many problems the new A2000 platform has bought. Try the K850 thread that 10 months after launch still has people waiting for yet another firmware to fix all. Or the other devices with slow media players and al the other problems as that explains SE's current drop in the market very well and the problems users are having with their products.

Marc
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Posted: 2008-06-20 12:13:11
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