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@absinthebri,
I do not agree with you that u mentioned here.I evrytime see same things from EUs.But I have been living here appx 30 years and I honestly couldnt see anything.U can find any religion here together.In my city we have lots of sinegogs,mosques,churchs.And I have seen these scenes in other cities.Trabzon,Izmir,Bursa,Diyarbakir,Mardin,Agri...etc.
The main issue s Kurds like English-Ireland-Ira,Spain-Bask,...but the issue of Kurds has been started in 1980s by Italy,Armenian,Greece,South Cypruses...this s a in dept issue.They do not wanna to see Turkey in top level of world.
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Posted: 2004-12-22 17:06:05
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Personally I can't really cheer at the idea of one day having to welcome Russia into the EU.
unfortunately I think Putin's politics being 'backed up' by europe would incite those that are already fighting the russians. Surely the last thing europe needs is more terroristic enemies.
Russia needs to get it;s act together and imho it's a long long long way from being related to Europe.
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Posted: 2004-12-22 19:14:18
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That is a good point, along with their sometimes patchy human rights record, I'd forgotten about then!
Come to think of it, there's some democractic questions as well, hasn't Putin passed some laws recently giving him more powers or something?
Then again, we have people like Burlesconi changing Italian laws so that he doesn't get prosecuted for his own financial irregularities, and the truth may not be told properly in Italy as he also just happens to own most of the media over there.....
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Posted: 2004-12-22 19:21:36
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@Sam
The difference between Italy and Russia though, is that Berlusconi is less likely to govern as a dictator as Putin. I'm not suggesting Putin would abandon democracy, but there is a distinct possibility of that happening if he was pushed far enough. Russia is also far less stable a country than Italy and poorer too.
Perhaps a more interesting question to ponder, is whether Switzerland will ever join the EU.
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Posted: 2004-12-22 22:25:29
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Your Blair is much bigger dictator than Putin. Putin has never attacked any foreign nation that we cannot say about your prime minister.
and liar too
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Posted: 2004-12-22 23:13:15
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Ooooh, boto you flamer!
Mind you, I'm certainly not a fan of his, I didn't vote for him (ever) and will be glad when (if!?) Blair's voted out of office!
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Posted: 2004-12-23 02:38:51
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@boto43
I am no fan of Tony Blair, and I do not condone illegal wars (even though I do think it is a good thing Saddam is out of power), but I don't see that Blair is a bigger dictator than Putin.
Blair would be very unlikely to succeed if he ever tried to create a dictatorship in Britain, not only is their little motivation, there is also little opportunity for him to do so. In fact, there has only ever been one dictatorship in British history since Roman times. Putin, on the other hand, has both the motivation and the opportunity, that isn't to say that he would actually create a dictatoship though.
I don't think calling Blair a 'liar' is fair, I don't belive he lied as such, with regards to Iraq, but rather it was a case of exaggeration. The government seem to have misled the Britishpublic about the seriousness of the situation, the most obvious example of this being the '45 minute warning'.
It would be good if Labour were put out at the next election, but unfortunately I don't see that happening.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 03:01:31
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bush and blair are dictators to foreign nations.That's much worse.btw every ruler
is a dictator.
Guys,you may guess where I've read that blair is liar.
Yes,it has been british print
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Posted: 2004-12-23 07:19:00
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I think the fact the British press can say the British Prime Minister is a liar suggests he's not a dictator (as we still have a relatively free press). The press also freely accuse him of being a war criminal. I think he is, too, and I'm free to hold and discuss this opinion. I think Putin is not quite so interested in human rights.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 08:26:03
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Blair politics
Blair continues to tell UK how difficult he found the decision to go to war. Each time he repeats the statement I see it less compelling. Like Anthony Eden with Suez, Tony Blair persuaded himself and led UK into a military adventure based on a misreading of Middle Eastern politics and of British interests….Blair’s reputation and the reputation of British politics would be immensely enhanced if he could now find the humility and courage to draw a line under the controversy by leaving his post.
The point that I must indicated here,Tony Blair and Jack Straw are fully support Turkish membership to EU,and says Turkey will bring us balance,this s such an important message,coz he has broken the balance,and now he imply to built up balance again.Iraq’s capability to produce weapons of mass destruction is equivalent to Blair’s capacity to tell the truth...This s so clear,and he lied to UK people and world.Colin Powell has confirmed this lies in his speech.
Russia;russia s a different issue,it s not like EU,not like others.It still
At present the new borders between Russia and the enlarged EU seem no less problematic. The new common border contains a number of “hot spots”.
1-the Kremlin’s consistent application of its conception of Human Rights in its relationships with Latvia and Estonia does not improve the relationships between Moscow and the Baltic states; on the contrary, it seems to postpone the normalization of the historically troubled relationships. In addition, the national border between Estonia and Russia is not yet settled.
2-the Kaliningrad region will become completely encircled by EU-member states.
3-moving south, Moscow and Brussels have to confront a new regional power– Poland who is likely to lobby for Ukraine and play a dominant role in the emerging Eastern Dimension. Further south, the question over the future of Moldova and her secessionist republic, Transdniestr, becomes acute as never before. A recent refusal by the international community - including the OSCE - of the Moscow reconciliation plan in the region indicates that the EU is starting to care about the internal situation in Moldova. Caring, however, does not go further than refusing to prolong the stationing of the Russian troops in the secessionist republic.
4-The EU makes its views on Chechnya very clear to Russia,concerned about the disturbing reports of so-called filtration camps under the authority of the Russian Federation security forces in Chechnya, and the recent footage of mass graves.
5-Brussels has traditionally expressed concern over civil freedoms in Russia. Moscow is worried about freight transit to the Kaliningrad region, the Russian-speaking population in the Baltic and tougher visa restrictions with central and eastern European countries after EU enlargement. Neither side is happy with the other's activity in the CIS.
6-The Russian side has repeatedly stated that the situation of the Russian-speaking "non-citizens" in two Baltic countries - Estonia and Latvia - does not correspond to European standards. Strictly speaking, the concept "non-citizen" does not exist in the Schengen legal base. The European Union states that human rights will always be on its agenda.
7- It is not surprising that it has not yet been signed, as the border between Russia and Kazakhstan, that is basically the border with the whole of Central Asia, remains open. Apart from this, there is virtually no infrastructure for readmitting illegal migrants to Russia.
On the whole, Russia’s and the EU’s approaches to mutual cooperation have many nuances determined by domestic difficulties, persisting mutual mistrust and the unpredictable international situation,Whatever the case may be, Russia and the EU clearly need each other. The EU is Russia's biggest economic partner and closer relations with it are very important. Russia meets up to 75% of the EU's requirements for energy resources, and EU countries currently account for about 90% of Russia's main export item: energy carriers. Accordingly, the sides will have to make more painstaking efforts to develop long-term, multilateral relations with each other.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 08:40:34
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