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On 2004-12-23 08:26:03, absinthebri wrote:
I think the fact the British press can say the British Prime Minister is a liar suggests he's not a dictator (as we still have a relatively free press). The press also freely accuse him of being a war criminal. I think he is, too, and I'm free to hold and discuss this opinion. I think Putin is not quite so interested in human rights.
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think,no problem to write the same in Moscow.
try to read russian web news.
but it doesnt mean they aren't dictators.
Btw I don't protect Putin just wanna say that Blair is the same or even worse.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 09:37:00
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Well,an important thing that I wanna show u is the "boron resource of Turkey" I always see some issues from economical perspectives,than other perspectives following,strategic,population,culture,...
but let me clarify "boron";
1-Boron is an indispensable raw material of industry, pertaining particularly to glass, chemicals, detergents, ceramics, automotive and energy sectors, as well as metallurgical, construction, missile, space and aviation and nuclear industries.
2-Boron is a strategic source of mining. It has been the issue of hot debate for the last 25 years and it holds vital importance for our national interests, economy and future. Turkey has a rich reserve of boron mines. Turkey owns 64 percent of world boron reserves. Russia with 14 percent and the U.S. with 10 percent follow Turkey.
It is calculated that the reserves in Turkey have an economic life of more than 500 years. On the other hand, our rivals in this field, especially boron mines in the U.S. which dominate the boron market in the world, have 30 or 40 years of economic life. Some claim it is 50 or 60. It is clear that Turkey has an important boron reserve and we will become the monopoly as we hold 64 percent of the world's boron reserves.Boron is a valued added resource. Its value increases by
10 times after
being refined. In this light, it holds a great importance for Turkey, as well as for the world,and of course all nations Especially Russia and EU understand the Turkey s walfare in these sections...
http://www.imf2005.itu.edu.tr/field.php
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Posted: 2004-12-23 09:57:51
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@boto43
Blair is far from being a dictator, there are limits on his power. I'm rather surprised that someone who used to live under communism doesn't seem to be able to recognise a dictator. Blair does have a lot of power over Britain, but he doesn't have total power here. He can be voted out of office by Parliament at any time or by the public at a general election. Blair has no means to turn Britain into a dictatorship; he is not the head of the army. Blair also must pass all legislation through the House of Lords, which can delay legislation long enough to make it unworkable before an election. All legislation that is passed by the Commons must be approved by the Queen, who has the right to refuse to new legislation (although this hasn't been used in almost three hundred years).
Putin isn't a dictator either, he still upholds democracy in Russia, although that democracy isn't necessarily what we are familiar with in the UK.
I don't see Blair as being a liar, most media reports in the UK (and elsewhere) don't actually claim he lied, bur rather that he misled the public. I think the difference is that the government greatly exaggerated the case for war, to the point where it was seen that Saddam was a threat to UK interests, whether through direct attack on the UK itslef or UK allies or UK interests e.g. Cyprus. Saddam was never a threat in this manner and this is where I don't agree with Blair's case for war. If he had said that we were going to war to remove Saddam then that is quite another matter, but to say that there were WMD and that Iraq was a threat was misleading. That isn't to say that Saddam wasn't trying to obtain WMD or that Saddam wouldn't have struck at the US/UK if he could have. It would be good if we could vote Labour out at the next election, but unfortunately the opposition parties aren't strong enough to effectively oppose Labour; hopefully a third Labour term won't see Britain going to war again.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 20:49:14
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Guys, I am affraid youve got only one problem.You have never lived under socialism or communism and you cant compare anything.
I think żou should think about it becouse the most what you have heard about the socialism its not true.
I have never been a communist or a socialist (or I dont know what).
btw curently I have a firm with 30 employees.
I am affraid I still cant say that this "democracy" is better or more democratic than socialism.
Maybe a litlle strange but its a fact to me.
These democratic wars are terrible thing
Think its useless to speak about it with me . I am a bit older than you
but ppl in your age in my country have the same view about socialism like you.
and I dont care if Blair,Putin,Mao are dictators.
not my problem but theirs
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Posted: 2004-12-23 21:54:38
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well done mate,U act as a deaf&blind as dave_uk.It s so easy to support who is from Uk.Coz u are all friends,and a friend always supports own friend.But dont forget,u must be near truth,not lies.
HEYYYY ALLLL PLEASE WHAT DO U UNDERSTAND FROM THESE WORDS?
>>>Hmmm....maybe. Time will tell, as always. Though if Al-Jazeera is an indication of the cultural growth we can anticipate, God help us all, or at least those of us who aren't Islamic!
dave says I ve misunderstood,so what have u understood from "arent Islamic" words? let me clarify please...
what the hell are you talking about?
Opinion is opinion, its not "truth or lies." It's you who needs to get your facts straight. Oh, and are you and absinthe buddies? Cause you're supporting each other...
After all, i could go and preach the Bible at you, and does that mean it's true? Does believing in something make it the infallible truth? I don't think so.
If, as you claim, you were university-educated, you would see the fallacies in your thought processes. The ideas that these fundamentalist Islamics try to promote are obviously wrong. Their perception of Jihad has been distorted. Terrorists have killed thousands of innocent people, and I'm sure God/Allah/Jehovah does not condone that kind of behavior.
@all
please ignore absinthebri, as he's incapable of listening to others' viewpoints. He also attempts to flame people for saying little things etc.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 22:30:21
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@boto43
I'm not entirely sure what sort of view of socialism you think I have, but I don't see it as being particualry bad, not the ideals behind it anyway. What I do see wrong in socialism is human nature, equality is all very well, but as someone once said, "Some men ar emore equal than others."
I didn't say you were a communist.
Whether you think your country's current government is better than communism or not, at least you have some measure of influence over your country's policies now. Out of interest, would your business have been allowed under the communist regime?
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Posted: 2004-12-23 22:59:03
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LOL
my country government doesnt lead wars
influence
youre so young and naive .Id like to be ...
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Posted: 2004-12-23 23:21:52
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@boto43
Wars? I don't believe I mentioned anything about wars. What is your point?
I'm not too sure why you are so cynical about democracy, but you do have a measur eof influence if you choose to excercise it. Personal insults against me aside, you have as much influence in a dmeocracy as you choose to excercise. If you vote, protest, petition and speak out then your voice can be heard. One only has to look at the current situation in the Ukraine to see that the people do have influence. Here in Britain the government has been forced to delay banning fox hunting because of the level of public protest.
I often wonder why some people are so cynical, it doesn't get one anywhere. It is much mor eproductive to be positive and actually take part in the political process of one's country, if one doesn't then one has no cause for complaint when the government does something one doesn't like.
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Posted: 2004-12-23 23:41:28
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i would say.. if in slovakia was the border open in communism and we could open a business everything would be ok...
but that is only my opinion..
about a blair...
i live in you country for some time..
i think, he is not liar, he can keep his promises, but why to the hell is he with bush??
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Posted: 2004-12-23 23:43:02
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Indeed, that is a very good question. Blair's support of Bush isn't unusual in that Britain tends to support America, but it was the lack of United Nations support that seems to have angered so many. I don't think there would have been the same level of opposition to the war if there had been United Nations support.
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