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Of course im serious. That's exactly how benchmarking has worked in the computer technology and micro electronics world for the past twenty years. And guess what ? modern mobile phones are simply micro computers which use technology as powerful as a desktop pc, if not more powerful in some respects.
Ive never heard of any benchmarking where you'd expect to use the same settings in daily life if you turned them up to its absolute maximum. Check out what its meant by benchmarking,
by checking out this simple explanation on Wikipedia..
"Computer manufacturers are known to configure their systems to give unrealistically high performance on benchmark tests that are not replicated in real usage"
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Posted: 2013-07-30 23:09:58
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^^ So what is the purpose of benchmarking? just to cheat scores? that is what I understand from your post, also please don't link to wikipedia because anything that is written there can easily be edited.
As for your example in computer benchmarking that is completely wrong imo
. You do know the fact that computers are set to the highest
stable clock speed when they want to get the most out of it during benchmarks, meaning you can use the computer in those clock speeds even for long periods of time because it is
stable and that you will get the full potential of its computing power without damaging it. Any unstable clock speed is not listed in computer benchmarks because clearly it is useless.
Perfect example are gamers who overclock their computers to max so they can get 30 or 60 fps and minimize frame drops when gaming, and yes those benchmarks reflect real life usage when gaming because you need at least 30 fps to be able to play decently.
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Posted: 2013-07-31 04:47:05
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Agree with you completely. Benchmarking for the sake of highest scores is nothing more than sports, you're just doing it to get the highest possible score even if it means cooling your device with liquid hydrogen
In this case it is exactly this kind of benchmarking, to see what kind of performance this platform is capable of but it can't sustain it and use it in day to day scenario.
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To etaab and Tsepz_GP
So you're fine with the fact that when you're looking at the scores you know that it's not the performance you're going to get when using the device? At this point I'll repeat myself, I'm not saying that S4 is slow and laggy, that's not the point.
About your Bugatti Veyron example.
You just prove that it's nothing more than a show off, impressive show off but it's completely different situation.
It can't go as fast for longer periods of time because it can't but because there are limitations to physics(tires can't stand the generated heat). The engine itself could probably sustain the speed for longer periods of time. In the case of S4, it couldn't sustain higher clocks due to the generated heat and battery life.
It's nice to know that you can go as fast but it creates unfair comparisons with devices that are using their max performance in benchmarks as well as in day to day use. Remember that there are many people that buy devices based on how it fares in benchmarks.
One thing I have to agree with you, turbo mode.
All recent intel CPU's have turbo mode and I think that if possible it should be used in ARM but in this case it can't be considered turbo mode if it only launches in selected benchmarks. If it would launch when you're running some very demanding game then I would agree that samsung was clever to include this kind of turbo mode but this is nothing more than as the name implies benchmark booster.
Maybe HTC should raise use similar benchmark boosters and raise CPU clock to 2Ghz and GPU to 600mhz. This way they would be faster than S4, in benchmarks
I wonder what would you say if HTC was the one using this kind of 'special code'.
After all, those companies that artificially improved their scores due to special drivers or simplified rendering in PC market were bashed by community for cheating, so why shouldn't we do the same in this situation?
And if you believe that samsung will just change the clocks for standard usage then you're very naive. They'll rather remove benchmark booster at all or hide it better this time
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Posted: 2013-07-31 09:01:30
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With such replies, there is NO doubt that etaab and Tsepz_GP are the BEST fanboys on Esato or probably the whole of the interwebs.
And they say they are NOT samsung fanboys
@wishmaster89 and reeflotz
Imagine the snide remarks they would have made had it been Sony and not Samsung caught cheating
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-07-31 13:27 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-31 14:25:01
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samsung denies cheating in bencmark scores
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Posted: 2013-07-31 14:41:26
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Cmon, who are they trying to fool here ?
But then what else can be expected from Samsung
A lame statement.
Anandtech already provided evidence that the GPU doesn't hit 533mhz for ANY app except certain benchmarking apps
[ This Message was edited by: randomuser on 2013-07-31 13:45 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-31 14:44:50
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Their reply indicates totally different situation than what we are dealing with. So it's nothing more than samsung trying to tell people that white is black and black is white hopping that people will believe it, even though their eyes see it a little bit different.
Hopefully no other company is doing something like this or else it would mean that there is no point in checking benchmark scores before deciding what device to buy.
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Posted: 2013-07-31 15:15:26
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Wishmaster89
This being Android, I know already that not every app is even capable of taking full advantage of the hardware, to me benchmarks give an idea of just how far the device can be pushed.
randomuser
Lol, so because we don't agree with what you and your fellow sony fans think, we are fanboys?
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Posted: 2013-07-31 15:41:23
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Lots of problems with samsung statement:
First they said it is listed to allow 533mhz. It turns out you don't get 533mhz, what you get is 480mhz. That would be misrepresenting specifications. You only get 533mhz on benchmark apps, go figure.
Then to cover up and make people believe that their S4 runs at indeed 533mhz, they make it run at that clock speed on benchmarks to produce scores which does not reflect when you use it on apps that you run on the phone which is where it is supposed to be used for.
They said "the Galaxy S4 has been designed to allow a maximum GPU frequency of 533MHz". Then they stated that "However, the maximum GPU frequency is lowered to 480MHz for certain gaming apps that may cause an overload". So in short it was NOT designed to run at that clock speed because it can cause an overload.
Then we have people that before this was found out made statements like "the S4 blows the competition out of the water in terms of performance" basing their statements on the not so true benchmark scores.
Finally when it was found out, we now hear these people making excuses saying "but this is how benchmarks work anyways" "the purpose of benchmarks is to cheat scores as high as possible"
if "benchmarks give an idea of just how far the device can be pushed" then it should give scores relative to its true actual performance, not scores which are enhanced in order to delude the person using it.
/facepalm
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-07-31 15:15 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-31 16:14:20
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For the great majority of users this is a non issue. Life goes on, it is after all just a phone. Samsung has delivered a great product and that is what matters
Who makes a purchase based on benchmarks anyway ?
http://mostly-tech.com/2012/0[....]ecret-about-mobile-benchmarks/[ This Message was edited by: rikken on 2013-07-31 16:44 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-31 17:20:23
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