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On 2013-07-31 15:41:23, Tsepz_GP wrote:
Wishmaster89
This being Android, I know already that not every app is even capable of taking full advantage of the hardware, to me benchmarks give an idea of just how far the device can be pushed.
What's the point of this knowledge if you know that no application will be able to use this power
That's the whole point of what Samsung did.
Considering those differences I would say that no matter if you buy HTC One or Xperia Z or any s600 based device in day to day use you'll get similar performance in any application you choose to use
And please, don't call me a sony fanboy. I'm using sony device just because after 4 years with Samsung devices I decided that it's time to buy something that works and believe me, xperia z really works even though it's not perfect.
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Posted: 2013-07-31 17:42:12
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oh dear reeflotz...
They said "the Galaxy S4 has been designed to allow a maximum GPU frequency of 533MHz" . Then they stated that "However, the maximum GPU frequency is lowered to 480MHz for certain gaming apps that may cause an overload" . So in short it was NOT designed to run at that clock speed because it can cause an overload.
Considering that TouchWiz apps can use it at 533mHz, its listed clock, I see no issue here, Samsung are simply trying to control power consumption.
"the S4 blows the competition out of the water in terms of performance"
It does even if at 480mHz as shown by Anandtech's 'non boosted' benchmark scores.
"but this is how benchmarks work anyways" "the purpose of benchmarks is to cheat scores as high as possible"
Who exactly did you quote the bold part from or are you adding your own rubbish to someone's statement to make it swing your way?
if "benchmarks give an idea of just how far the device can be pushed" then it should give scores relative to its true actual performance, not scores which are enhanced in order to delude the person using it.
Your opinion.
Wishmaster89
As an enthusiast, it's just a matter of knowing how powerful the HW is. Also as Samsung mentioned, TouchWiz apps like S Browser, Camera, Gallery etc... Use it at full clock, so it's not entirely limited to 480mHz.
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Posted: 2013-07-31 18:18:01
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Have you by any chance read updated post on Anandtech?
They checked that the only touchwiz application that pushes the GPU clock up to 532mhz is camera and only for a second or two due to the thermal limitation. This just proves that such high GPU clock wasn't destined for day to day use and only for benchmarks (read: for show off). It only proves that Samsung is doing what was highly criticized in PC market, fix benchmark results.
If you don't agree with what we're saying just browse the web and you'll see that most web portals are criticizing Samsung for what they have done and if not criticizing than raising doubts about this whole situation. All in all it's not about senseless attacking of Samsung, it's about some fair competition and principles.
But I have to agree on one thing with reeflotz.
Benchmarking should lead to determining highest clocks allowing stable day to day performance to get those extra fps in your favourite game, that's how I've done with my desktop PC 5 years ago and I'm running it OC by 30% stable and with much improved performance since then
As I said before, benchmarking for the sake of highest scores alone that won't be usable in any day to day scenario is nothing more than a sport. But I agree, it's nice to see quad core CPU's running at 6Ghz cooled with liquid nitrogen and maybe we should start doing similar things with our smartphones, but not this way and such scores shouldn't be compared to devices running stock clocks.
It reminds me of how Anand benchmarked early nexus 4 in freezer to counter very aggressive thermal limitation
What's funny is that he actually got 10-20% higher scores than when run in normal condition
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Posted: 2013-07-31 21:14:58
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Sadly, as always people like randomabuser always prove that they're simply here to slag off anything that isn't Sony and purposefully to slag off the market leader. As soon as anything negative crops up against Samsung, they flood the forum waving their tiny little flags of short lived victory. But its always a shallow one at that. The childishness that is allowed on Esato continues. So the usual suspects like randomabuser can use it all they want, but soon it'll blow over and they will still be fans of the inferior products.
To me its totally irrelevant what reasoning such people bring to this thread, even GSM Arena agree with the fact companies clock their devices higher for benchmarking, except they also think its something new - they've probably never been into PC modding and don't understand that overclocking for benchmarks is actually perfectly normal. Its called Bench marketing.
"We know desktop GPU manufacturers do this stuff all the time with their graphics cards to boost the benchmarking scores. But until now we haven’t see such tweaking among the embedded mobile graphics and that’s why we consider it unfair"
No big deal to me. Sorry Sony fans, no win for you again.
[ This Message was edited by: etaab on 2013-07-31 22:24 ]
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Posted: 2013-07-31 23:22:54
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The amount of fuss they've made out of this is incredible
haven't seen anything like it anywhere else, you'd swear they all had an S4. Should've seen them when there was a rumour that GS4 sales weren't good, of course that was soon shutdown when Samsung announced 20million sold.
As a GS4 I9500 user, I'm not fussed, it runs every HD game I throw at it beautifully, takes incredible pics and vids, UI is smooth and fast and when I run a benchmark the HW shows me what it's truly capable of which is all I want to know, the fact that it does all the above at 480mHz is even better as it consumes less power, even taking
HD720P@120FPS slo-mo vids with no issue. The fact that it does use the GPU at 533mHz in Camera even for a moment is fine, my guess is that it sits at 266mHz for Browser and Gallery due to them simply not requiring the full 533mHz. Using CPU-Z and System Panel I hardly ever even see the CPU passing 1.2GHz, I once saw it at 1.6GHz when playing GTA, but that was about it, and that was with the frame cap set to off.
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Posted: 2013-08-01 00:27:14
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And again you guys missed the point, we are not questioning the performance of S4, we are questioning the
validity of the benchmark, which is what this is all about. Which is what the article posted about S4 benchmark is about. We never said the S4 is slow, we also never said that people base their purchase purely on benchmark.
Oh and Tsepz, you are asking me who am I quoting on the one with the bolded part you quote? answer is not you, have you been reading the thread? and I did not make it swing my way, you're gonna have to read and comprehend more about what is being posted here, then you'll get the message. You're not fussed even if Samsung did fake/cheat the benchmark? meaning you don't care about honesty and the truth? Well that speaks a lot about you really
Anyway as I have said, benchmarks are a way to measure a processor's performance relative to its actual performance, putting out scores that does not represent it's supposed performance defeats the purpose of benchmarking.
[ This Message was edited by: reeflotz on 2013-08-01 04:27 ]
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Posted: 2013-08-01 04:42:22
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reeflotz, it's no use discussing this with them. Etaab has one answer for this whole discussion - we are blind fanboys that just wait for opportunity to speak against samsung and Tsepz_GP praises samsung for clever techniques of battery preserving.
If they would at least respond in any way to the arguments presented we could discuss it but for them, and for many others I have seen on different webpages, there's nothing wrong in fixing scores. And that is why I don't even benchmark my devices, cause it stopped being reliable way of telling how device or PC system will behave in day to day use. It became nothing more than sports. Maybe we should start considering it as such in mobile market as well.
Just like there were ways of cheating in quadrant benchmark and it stopped being use due to the unfair optimizations in custom roms to show unrealistic improvements but no improvements in normal usage.
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Posted: 2013-08-01 08:37:45
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I wouldn't exactly say it is useless on PC because I'm a heavy PC user doing 3d renderings and gaming which uses every bit of processing power it has. Benchmarks of specific video cards and CPUs for PC helped me pick the right parts and get the most out of my money when I built a PC rig just recently.
For mobile application it's not that much focused on because frankly I haven't seen a need of that much power on a smartphone. Even the heaviest apps can run fine on decent dual core phones.
It's just saddening that the reason why benchmarks are made in the first place is a means to measure performance is now being defined as a means to just brag about numbers and finding ways to manipulate scores and that they are perfectly fine with that. Are we getting that dumber to accept the fact that wrong things are supposed to be the norm? Oh well as you said fine leave them alone on their thread.
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Posted: 2013-08-01 09:02:23
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Sorry Sony fans just had to post this!
Some more legendary marketing by Samsung
Samsung Galaxy S4 takes off to promote its features in yet another funny ad
http://is.gd/vstktF
....okay, carry on with whatever you were ranting about.
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Posted: 2013-08-01 10:20:46
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Wow, so impressive. I think I'll go and sell all my devices and buy S4. It's just so great that I can't stop looking at this commercial
"response adjusted to the level of discussion in this thread"
Last time I every try to reasonably discuss in samsung topic. Glad I don't have this kind of problems with my friends that have samsung devices, at least they can discuss normally without calling anybody fanboy
[ This Message was edited by: Wishmaster89 on 2013-08-01 10:55 ]
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Posted: 2013-08-01 11:54:46
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