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No mate, the C905 is the K850i's successor. The W910i's successor hasn't been announced yet.

You can be sure the C905 will arrive here. Eventually.
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Posted: 2008-09-15 11:56:19
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ah I thought that, just as I wrote it I thought the w910s successor would be the W595
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Posted: 2008-09-15 12:14:21
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I found this on the Vodafone website here.



The bit that really got me laughing was "Data roaming with Vodafone costs far less than other networks". I mean, what the hell are they thinking? I'd bet it would be far cheaper to buy a new sim card overseas and use that. What they said is a blatant lie.

Also interesting is the cost of text messages from overseas. I went over to Australia in 2005 and I was texting my girlfriend a lot from there, and each text was costing me 20 cents, which I was thinking was ok at the time, but now with TXT 2000 and all that, even 20 cents is too much for a single text.

Buuuut I've just been looking up all these charges on behalf of my parents and brother who have just gone off to Spain and France, and was shocked to find out that late last year, Vodafone changed their charges for the worst. Texting from overseas back to a New Zealand mobile now costs 80 cents! A 400% increase... That is just so crap. They also now charge $1 if you pick up a call while overseas. Crap.

I'm becoming increasingly frustrated with Vodafone recently, because they are constantly making the deal worse for Prepay customers, and their plans aren't getting much better at all. Remember my original first post in this thread? I said:

"We could complain about so much!"

Well that all improved for a while, but now it's gone back to complaining for me. Vodafone's service is absolute crap and I am not at all satisfied.

For example, it now costs $1 just to call customer services! My mum was going to call to find out about roaming costs, but didn't in the end because it was gonna charge her $1 for it! She ended up leaving a message at the local Vodafone store for someone to call her back. Nobody ever called.

The thing is that the only reason I'd ever call Vodafone is because they had made a mistake. I have been charged several times on Vodafone Live buying games, and then when I've gone to download them, Vodafone's service screwed up and I didn't get what I've bought.

So now I have to pay to get my money back. I'm sorry but that is just ****!

Also, they've made it so we now have to pay to use their IOU service. They recently changed it so prepay credit only lasts 6 months. They made it so if your TXT 2000 expires and you have no money on your account to renew it, they'll leave it a few days so that if you top up, your TXT 2000 will renew. That sounds fine, but it means that if you top up and don't want TXT 2000 to renew, you have to be aware and go and cancel it. Pain in the arse I say. Grrr...

Rant over.
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Posted: 2008-09-15 12:22:07
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Nah, the W595 is the W580i's successor. The W910i's successor hasn't been announced yet. The W910i is still very popular overseas, so I'd say they might not announce the successor for a while.
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Posted: 2008-09-15 12:27:41
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hmm... Don't worry Oli B&W will come soon and when telecom gets there gsm network up and running then telstra clear and telecom might actually stand a chance. Sounds like we may no longer be ruled by vodafone (yay!!)
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Posted: 2008-09-16 07:46:04
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Yeah true, perhaps Vodafone know they will need to drop their prices soon, so they charging a bit more for everything while they can. Bastards.
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Posted: 2008-09-16 09:54:51
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Welcome to NZ
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Posted: 2008-09-16 10:04:04
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I disagree. The W580i is a 2.5G phone while the W910 and the W595 are both HSDPA phones. It could be argued that the W595 competes with/supercedes the 3.2Mp HSDPA W760 also so I guess the price will determine it's positioning but I doubt it'll come in higher than the W910 release price of $799; I'm thinking $599-$699ish I think the W595 is the phone the W910 should have been. The current price of the W910 (including a 4GB M2) is a steal and should kick start some serious buying IMO.

I don't see the C905 as a K850 successor; C902 does that job very well. I think C905 is a new market for SE - a true N95 competitor, the swiss army knife we all want. Most of all, I think the C905 is the flagship model the P1i, W960 and K850i all failed to be. Only a 5.0 or 8.1 Mp Xperia would top it IMO.

Regarding roaming, Australia and the Pacific Islands are just like being in NZ as far as VodaNZ is concerned, with UK, US being cheap too. As for Spain - ouch! is all I can say.

I'm no expert on Apple products including the iPhone but AFAIK they'll only accept certain file types delivered exclusively though iTunes, unlike my V640 in Mass Storage mode which can be instantly recognised by any computer and easily recieve files from Windows Explorer in a nanosecond.


The worst part is that a few hundred customers had to find that out the hard way before VodaNZ would post that and even then instore staff won't be aware of it...

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Posted: 2008-09-17 05:11:26
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Um well, as you know, I follow the 2008 Rumours thread pretty closely (I'm running the 2009 one so you'd expect me to follow it!) and that's what the W595 was introduced to us as by the resident experts - As the W580i successor. And I think the improvements are logical. Also, the W595 is quite obviously following the same design philosophies as the W580i did.

And the C902 isn't the K850i successor because it makes no improvements over the K850i except in size, reliability, usability and arguably in appearance. Successors should make significant improvements on the model they replace, both in specs and usability, and the C905 certainly does improve on the K850i. But the C902 doesn't have a xenon flash, has a smaller screen, and is otherwise pretty much the same as the K850i, so it is not the successor. You must also look at their status in the SE range. The K850i -> C905 is the imaging flagship, whilst the C902 is a new product for a new range - Its a fashion conscious imaging phone.

My old 2nd gen iPod Nano worked for mass storage. Sure you couldn't access it through the menus, but there was no need because you couldn't send it or open it or anything through the menus because all the thing did was music and photos. But once attached to a computer you could retrieve it. Are you sure the iPhone doesn't have that feature?
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Posted: 2008-09-17 05:22:45
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Congratulations, that a significant job and I can't think of anyone better to do it!



I still think the C902 is the K850 successor because of the improvements in size, reliability and usablity, and the continuation of touchscreen functions proves it. It's more of a sideways step like the K800 -> K810, but a move forward non-the-less because the work involved in creating a 5.0 Mp, HSDPA, semi-slider phone that is only 10mm thin should not be underestimated. The lack of Xenon flash and screen size is consistant with SE policy as seen in W800 -> W700 and T650 -> T700 and matters not in the grand scheme of things because SE don't make their phones for us enthusiasts but for the networks and the great unwashed masses. K850i/W800/T650 were headline grabbers, while C902/W700/T700 build on an established theme. To the networks and joe public, Xenon or LED flash means very little; price and camera megapixels are the few things that make it into the spec summary in the Bond & Bond and Harvey Norman ads.

IMO the biggest thing to consider is form factor. The C905 as a slider is positioned differently to the K850i/C902 candybars. If you add wifi to K850i/C902 (as IMO SE should) you won't be competing with the N95 but the N82 and that's an important difference in the market. The C905 is a late attempt at the N95 recipe and whether it works depends on whether that market segment still exists, or has moved on to the X1/N96/iPhone large (touch) screen multimedia devices.

There will probably be a 8.1 Mp Cybershot candybar device at some stage which will supercede the C902. As for image conscious, it looks to me like all SE phones will become 'image conscious' as that becomes SE's main point of difference.

I'm trying to think where a slider phone specced above the W595 would fit in and I can't ATM. A 5.0 Mp (possibly wifi) slider may steal sales from both W902 and C905 and would have more in common with W960 than W910 as far as the networks are concerned.

I may be very wrong as I have no idea what is under development in the Rumours thread, I'm approaching this subject from a marketing perspective.

You are probably right about the Nano/iPhone, I'll need to try plugging the Nano into a PC at the library to see if I can store files on it without iTunes being involved. The modem issue may have a work around if I jailbreak it (not that I want to) but if the Mass Storage works then the biggest barrier to overcome is pretty much solved.
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Posted: 2008-09-17 07:55:16
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