View angles still a problem for Sony... And i dont understand why. And looks like we have diff screen for same device again.
After this comparison, If any body flamed Xperia Z over it's display or viewing angles, I'll
Yeah with the butterfly it looks a little bit more over saturated in the first two pics from their comparison but that's a brightness setting... and the the first pic with the girl portrait looks like a Shampoo adv. for god sake... marvelously good
On 2013-02-12 06:09:28, Xajel wrote:
After this comparison, If any body flamed Xperia Z over it's display or viewing angles, I'll
and then
Yeah with the butterfly it looks a little bit more over saturated in the first two pics from their comparison but that's a brightness setting... and the the first pic with the girl portrait looks like a Shampoo adv. for god sake... marvelously good
I'm not staring at my phone from the side! hahahaha
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Koss is absolutely right. Shot at 100% zoom look unnatural, with absolutely no noise. Why some of you care about things like HDR, camera button, Exmor RS and stuff like that, but don't care about photo quality. Some of you say it's not a camera and nobody looks at their photos at 100%, but:
1. How to tell the difference between 3-5 mp and 13 mp photos then?
2. How to compare cameraphones with the same sensor resolution?
Can't we do sth together, like for expample somehow try to influence Sony Mobile's camera dept. at least to give people choice. Just simple thing like a less postprocessing mode. Why can't we, some with photographic background, etc say that photos are not so good when that's true, without being attacked? Xperia Z is probably the best phone available (soon), but it's camera is not satisfactory for some of us. Exmor RS is one of Sony's main selling points, so why can't I expect good, natural photos, at least at ISO 50? On the other hand, any true comparison will make sense only when other 13MP Exmor RS (or with different sensor) phones come out, but my feeling is. Xperia Z camera HW is top of the line, but getting rid of noise went far too far.
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On 2013-02-12 08:37:12, marcink wrote:
Koss is absolutely right. Shot at 100% zoom look unnatural, with absolutely no noise. Why some of you care about things like HDR, camera button, Exmor RS and stuff like that, but don't care about photo quality. Some of you say it's not a camera and nobody looks at their photos at 100%, but:
1. How to tell the difference between 3-5 mp and 13 mp photos then?
2. How to compare cameraphones with the same sensor resolution?
Can't we do sth together, like for expample somehow try to influence Sony Mobile's camera dept. at least to give people choice. Just simple thing like a less postprocessing mode. Why can't we, some with photographic background, etc say that photos are not so good when that's true, without being attacked? Xperia Z is probably the best phone available (soon), but it's camera is not satisfactory for some of us. Exmor RS is one of Sony's main selling points, so why can't I expect good, natural photos, at least at ISO 50? On the other hand, any true comparison will make sense only when other 13MP Exmor RS (or with different sensor) phones come out, but my feeling is. Xperia Z camera HW is top of the line, but getting rid of noise went far too far.
Just so I know where you are coming from here, what are your thoughts on the pics in this link?
http://forum.xda-developers.c[....]st.php?p=37841503&postcount=12
Remember you can download the originals. They are the best pics I have seen from the Z so far and I am hoping they are reprentative of the final software.
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I downloaded those shots yesterday. Don't particularly like those tiny details like tree bark, grass, some leaves. These parts look like oil paintings and Nokia N95/N82 took similar photos, didn't like them either.
And we don't need to go to 100% magnification to see that
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To add my opinion to current topics of discussion:
1. High megapixel Xperia cameras aren't as good as they ought to be. They are noisy and poorly post processed and the megapixels thing is a spec sheet thing not a tangible positive effect thing. I don't expect Xperia Z to break this trend.
2. HDR is not a fad, it's actually quite cool if used correctly, it doesn't need to be used for about 60% of situations. HDR video is double cool and useful. +1 Xperia Z.
3. The low-light performance is a step forward and almost makes up for not having xenon flash.
4. Screen viewing angles are important. I don't view my phone at 85ยบ from perpendicular, I don't want people to see what I'm doing on my phone BUT better viewing angles make the screen look better even when viewing directly. Colours reproduce better and contract is higher when a screen has better viewing angles when the screen is just a few degrees of perpendicular. 'Amazing' viewing angles is very important for a high-end phone. Saying all that I don't expect the screens to get worse by iteration and the TX phone's screen is good enough, better is like a camera phone with more than 5MP cam, diminishing returns. I'm yet to see Xperia Z's screen in person so can't pass judgement, neither cn very few people in here.
5. Thin phones are nice. My personal preference for 'too thin' isn't achievable by current tech. +1 Xperia Z.
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Posted: 2013-02-12 09:18:40
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On 2013-02-12 09:00:00, marcink wrote:
I downloaded those shots yesterday. Don't particularly like those tiny details like tree bark, grass, some leaves. These parts look like oil paintings and Nokia N95/N82 took similar photos, didn't like them either.
And we don't need to go to 100% magnification to see that
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I do agree with the watercolor effect, but the colors seems dead-on and warm ^^. And actually it performs better than all the Xperia cameras I see. Hope Sony change the watercolor effect!
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Any phone camera pics except N8 and Pureview 808 will look like oil paintings. Galaxy S3, Xperia V, Iphone 5, Lumia 920 all show similar oil paintings at 100%. So don't criticize the Z for something that just doesn't make much sense.
Sony never said Z is a Pureview 808 rival. It's a modern slim smartphone and for its category it performs better than the rest. With way less noise. You want more sharpness? Just alter sharpness in Photoshop.
In my opinion - Great Low Light performance + Ultra Low Noise + Accurate colors + no chroma noise + good details = WIN.
Look at this 100% photo crop of Lumia 920 with updated firmware. Will anyone pick this noisy crap over noiseless smooth photos of the Z ?
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Posted: 2013-02-12 10:59:39
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We can't judge photos without knowledge about settings. So it's pointless now.
I've read tons of sh..t about all the Xperia cameras I've had like S, T, Arc, X10. Including total bashing, and overhype.
Yet my own life xperience is veeeery far from most of the claims and many reviews. Including "specialists" here and some sites which make things worse on purpose (Eldar....). Including strange camera test of T on GsmArena.... And my own photos are much better proof for me.
And I still think viewing angles topic is total bull...hit.
It's just a hype created by idiotic reviewers, otherwise nobody would ever think about it.
And no viewing angles don't influence frontal look, that's idiocy too.
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