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Have you read all that or just copied it. by the way that was all written by a non muslim so thats that.
More Biblical mistakes:
Who killed Jesus, Jews or Gentiles?
Jesus prophesied that he would be killed by Gentiles:
(Mat 20:18-19 NIV) "We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death {19} and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!"
(Mark 10:33 NIV) "We are going up to Jerusalem," he said, "and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will hand him over to the Gentiles,
(Luke 18:31-33 NIV) Jesus took the Twelve aside and told them, "We are going up to Jerusalem, and everything that is written by the prophets about the Son of Man will be fulfilled. {32} He will be handed over to the Gentiles. They will mock him, insult him, spit on him, flog him and kill him. {33} On the third day he will rise again."
Here, according to McKinsey, Jesus is killed by Jews:
(John 19:14-18 NIV) It was the day of Preparation of Passover Week, about the sixth hour. "Here is your king," Pilate said to the Jews. {15} But they shouted, "Take him away! Take him away! Crucify him!" "Shall I crucify your king?" Pilate asked. "We have no king but Caesar," the chief priests answered. {16} Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified. So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. {17} Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). {18} Here they crucified him, and with him two others--one on each side and Jesus in the middle.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:30:52
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Dr Zakir Naik v Dr Wiliam Cambell.
Download the Mp3
HERE. This has answers and questions on Christianity and Islam and shows that the bible has many mistakes and Dr William Cambell had no Answers even though he is a Bible dr.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:37:26
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@PeterKay
These verses do not contradict each other! The Romans where the ones that killed Jesus at the insistence of the Jews. The Romans had the final say in the matter. But the Jews wanted Jesus to be killed so Pilot (the roman in charge) yielded to their wishes. The second quote you gave to prove Jesus was killed by the Jews clearly states "So the soldiers took him" - the soldiers were Romans considering the Romans where occupying the land of Israel at the time. I know very little about the bible (to my shame) and yet your errors don’t even stand up to me!
Also peterkay, you say how we Christians are going to regret not following Islam when we die, but the Quran clearly says
"[2:62] Surely, those who believe, those who are Jewish, the Christians, and the converts; anyone who (1) believes in GOD, and (2) believes in the Last Day, and (3) leads a righteous life, will receive their recompense from their Lord. They have nothing to fear, nor will they grieve."
I believe in GOD. I believe in the Last Day. So according to your Quran, I have nothing to fear! Thats great news!
Oh no wait!! The Quran says;
"[3:85] Anyone who accepts other than Submission as his religion, it will not be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter, he will be with the losers."
Just another contradiction! Oh well, so much for following the Quran...
"also, it was all writen be a non-muslim, so that is that"
SO what if its a non-muslim! Doesn't mean he can't see contradictions in the Quran! You speak as if only Muslims are capable of reading the Quran or something.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:38:00
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More Dr Zakir Naik videos and Mp3s can be found
HERE.
Videos of Dr Zakir V Dr William:
Watch part 1
HERE
Watch part 2
HERE
Watch part 3
HERE
Watch part 4
HERE
The above videos are in wmv format, and are worth watching as it shows that the bible has many errors and this was proven in the debate.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:43:19
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Theres no use in this debate with you peterkay. You give me errors in the Bible and I try and explain them... But when I gave you errors in the Quran you just ignore them. I don't mean you to explain every one of them - but a few would be good. Instead you just list more errors and ignore the points I make.
Are you not capable or explaining any contradictions I mention?
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:48:33
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I do not think they are mistakes so why should i rectify them !!
Watch the above debate and then come back to me.
What a cool site this is:
http://www.convertstoislam.org
Wow, the internet is amazing.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 19:51:52
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http://thetruereligion.org
Verses 50-52 from Chapter 7 states:
The Companions of the Fire will call to the Companions of the Garden: "Pour down to us water or anything that Allah doth provide for your sustenance." They will say: "Both these things hath Allah forbidden to those who rejected Him."
"Such as took their religion to be mere amusement and play, and were deceived by the life of the world." That day shall We forget them as they forgot the meeting of this day of theirs, and as they were wont to reject Our signs.
For We had certainly sent unto them a Book, based on knowledge, which We explained in detail,- a guide and a mercy to all who believe.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 20:00:13
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You don't consider them mistakes!! OF COURSE YOU DON'T!!! That is why you should explain them!!! I didn't consider any of the errors you posts as real mistakes, but I tried to explain the truth to you.
What a lazy, poor argument! I get the impression you know very little of the Quran if you can't explain a few simple contradictions. Instead you come up with that feeble excuse... I know your not a stupid person, but that was a stupid response.
Also, I tried downloading the .WMV files - they are 50MB in size - I don’t think so!
The Mp3 you posted I downloaded ok- but I honestly can hardly understand the Muslim debater. He talks too fast and combine that with the accent, I just can’t listen to it… How about you try some debating?
ill be back in a few hours -
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Posted: 2005-09-22 20:01:08
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On 2005-09-22 20:01:08, pleber wrote:
Also, I tried downloading the .WMV files - they are 50MB in size - I don’t think so!
The Mp3 you posted I downloaded ok- but I honestly can hardly understand the Muslim debater. He talks too fast and combine that with the accent, I just can’t listen to it… How about you try some debating?
ill be back in a few hours -
Any excuse not to listen to
DEFEAT, anyway go away and do some research.
Verses 44-46 chapter 7 states:
The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers.
"Those who would hinder men from the path of Allah and would seek in it something crooked: they were those who denied the Hereafter."
Between them shall be a veil, and on the heights will be men who would know every one by his marks: they will call out to the Companions of the Garden, "peace on you": they will not have entered, but they will have an assurance thereof.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 20:04:27
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Verses 116-117 from Chapter 5 states:
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship me and my mother as gods in derogation of Allah.?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never could I say what I had no right to say. Had I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed have known it. Thou knowest what is in my heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
"Never said I to them aught except what Thou didst command me to say, to wit, 'worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord'; and I was a witness over them whilst I dwelt amongst them; when Thou didst take me up Thou wast the Watcher over them, and Thou art a witness to all things.
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Posted: 2005-09-22 20:24:09
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