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I've had enough. Enough of threads created simply to denigrate and discriminate against a certain country or people. You all know what country I'm talking about. And you all know who you are.
Where exactly do people get off on slagging off Israel, which seems to be the latest fashionable fad here. As I stated in one thread, it's like they are the 'Evil Empire' and the whole Islamic world is the 'Rebel Alliance'. Why is everyone making Israel out to be the only aggressor here when it's going both ways? Whenever anyone points this salient fact out they get flamed and accused of being a 'Zionist'.
Now before anyone gets into their X-Wing and shoots me down in flames, I am NOT condoning what Israel does, nor indeed what Palestinian extremists do. I am getting heartily p1ssed off with all the 'cut and paste' articles out of leftie publications like The Guardian which have their own agendas and biases, which then start off the predictable and identikit responses that we have had in many other threads of this ilk, and start discussions/flame wars that end up going exactly the same way.
In fact I might find and revive Scotsboyuk's 'Guide to enraged posting' as it seems quite apt.
Now, I am not from Israel, nor do I have any links to that area. I am not 'pro-Israeli', nor am I 'pro-Palestine'. I am also not a religious person. There are two sides to a story, no one side is 100% in the right or 100% in the wrong. Why can't people take a balanced view and take the other side's opinions and points into consideration instead of replying simply accusing them of being anti semetic/anti Islam/anti any other bloody thing else they can think of.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 12:26:59
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Amen to that!
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Posted: 2006-05-26 12:48:26
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Yes amen.. I even don't care whats up down there.. I have my own problems here so..
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Posted: 2006-05-26 12:56:15
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All I would like to see in these discussions is some empathy and common sense, especially when dealing with someone else's viewpoint.
There seems to be an increase in religious intolerance and bigotry in these threads, which isn't acceptible anywhere, let alone a MOBILE PHONE forum.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 13:02:26
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Every soul has it's on concern,
and we should all become one,
to kick out all the terrorism,
and enjoy life with peace & fun.
not a poet, just made that up!
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Posted: 2006-05-26 13:03:11
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I agree with what you are saying. However my main gripe is simply
"At exactly what point did esato become a religon forum?" these threads wind me up for a number of reasons. Firstly esato is a mobile phone forum, i don't want to come here and find the forum clogged up with political and religous threads. If i wanted to read and engage in such discussions i would go find a forum that covers these points. Secondly as you point out these threads are never started from an impartial point of view - which is wrong for the person startin the thread. I then believe in the right of free speech and so am happy for anyone to voice their opinions in reply to the opening of the thread. and finally these threads are just pointless as because this is a mobile phone forum i think that many of the replies are written by people who do not know the basic details let alone the full 'in's and out's' of the topic, hence ill informed replies are made. This is why there is no point debating these topics on esato. They should be debated in an arena that attracts the people who fully understand the topic and are able to logically argue their point and specifically address any points raised by people with differing points of views. This is never going to happen on esato - so i guess my main problem is i don't see what the original posters think they are going to acheive with these threads.
Don't get me wrong one or two threads of this nature on BIG events that occur are fine and informative but the level that have been posted recently i think just clogg up the forum and detract from it's aim - mobile phone discussion!
Just my 2pence worth,
Tom
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Posted: 2006-05-26 13:44:08
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I also forgot to mention that i rarely post in any political or religous threads as i do not, and have never pretended to, know the subjects in enough detail. Sure i know what i read in papers and see in the news - but even this is rarely enough information to know these subjects well enough to debate them - far more research needs to be done.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 13:48:58
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Sammy_boy i can fully understand your frustration in this matter..and i do agree on some of the points you mentioned,but due to varying opinions from members sometimes we don't always like what we read...but we should respect people's choices.
Now Israel and the Palestinian issue is a sensitive matter and most do not understand the complexity of the issue and and quite easyily support either side,myself sideing with the Palestinians.Its nice to stay \"fair and balanced\" in such debates but its not always possible.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 13:59:20
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i have to admit that I tend to generally post my opinion rather than from articles (which aren't immune to being innacurate and are often biased anyway) when I do post in these kinds of threads.
I'm not saying ban the threads, just show some tolerance towards others' opinions and viewpoints and not flame them just because they are disagreed with.
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Posted: 2006-05-26 14:01:54
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@Sam
You are being completely rediculous! Why shouldn't people be allowed to make as many political threads as they like? Surely you can see how silly you are being? If you want to discuss mobile phones then I suggest you go to a mobile phone forum ... what's that? ... oh I must apologise, I have just been informed that apparently Esato is a mobile phone forum!
Joking aside, we have been here many times. It is the exact same story; for some reason known only to themselves certain members seem to feel that a mobile phone forum is the place to go to post a spiel about the injustices of the world. Call me old fashioned, but I tend to go to a mobile phone forum to ... well ... post about mobile phones.
Now of course we inevitably have the 'freedom of speech' defence for the political threads. By all all means air your views, but do we have to have thread upon thread upon thread upon thread upon thread upon thread of them? The other point is of course that the political-religious posters only seem to respect freedom of speech when it is in their favour, when someone comes along and intoduces a crazy notion like providing evidence to support their claims they don't seem to like that and more often than not resort to either obfuscation of the facts; repeating their mantra or misrepresenting the situation.
Now on the subject of the Israeli-Palestinian discussions, at which point did Esato take on the responsibility for handling Palestinian propoganda? Is there a reason we have so many threads on this issue on a mobile phone forum? Have the authors not heard that there are dedicated political forums on the internet? Perhaps laffen has been given a veto on the UN Security Council and thus we are seeing an attempt to influence him? Beyond that I can really only think of one plausible explanation as to why we have so many of these threads ...
... Esato is being used as a soapbox. The political demagogues make their posts under the pretence of freedom of speech and open discussion, in reality they simply want people to agree with them and don't care for the annoying part when someone actually does want to discuss the issue. Look at their threads, they give each other pats on the back, another post to further the cause of turning Esato into a political soapbox.
Now I have been a member of this forum too long to actually give a tuppence about what anyone thinks of me so I am going to be frank.
It should not surprise any of you to learn that the worst of the lot in my opinion is axxxr, Esato's news editor. Now to me the term 'news' implies some measure of objectivity and the fact that he is a member of Esato's staff should also mean that he doesn't embroil himself in arguments or degrade the forum in any way. Quite on the contrary, you couldn't find a more biased person if you asked turkeys if Christmas dinner should be scrapped. It isn't just that he is biased, he also posts bile; paranoid delusional views that feed into the conspiracy theories that make up his world view.
In addittion there is also the fact that as a member of staff he frequently engages in arguments (most recently with myself). I don't think this is a particularly good way for a member of staff to behave. What does it say about Esato when one of its members of staff is posting hate filled theories and arguing with members? I can't say it leaves a very good impression with me and to be perfectly honest I rather wonder why laffen allows it to continue.
axxxr isn't the only one though, there are a group of biased and uninformed members who seem to feel that it is their duty to harangue the forum with their chosen cause. Thread after thread of biased rants, in aid of what? Recently we have dealer3, who presumably has just bought a subscription to the Guardian and is determined to get his money's worth.
Perhaps at some point the sane members of Esato will realise what a terribly disservice these damgogues are doing to this forum.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-09-26 04:30 ]
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Posted: 2006-05-26 16:26:05
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