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Hello All!
As some of you know I like a spot of debate, but alas I haven't had one in a while so I had an idea; start a thread teaching people how to debate. Now you may be asking yourself why you would want to participate in such a thread, but it could be very useful to you.
The internet is full of forums, which are full of people discussing various issues. You have probably been involved in such a discussion at some point. What I aim to do here is show you how to maximise your involvement in such a debate and get your points across clearly and succinctly.
I will post a statement and you post a reply; I'll take a look and see how you did.
We shall start off with something easy:
Te BBC is good value for money and the license fee is the best way to ensure that it continues to produce quality programming.
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Posted: 2006-08-22 00:50:11
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scotsboyuk without spoiling your thread can i just say i knew you would eventually miss our little debates!
Back on topic: I think this thread is a good idea...should be interesting.
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I don't actually think the license fee is good value for money at all,the better quality programmes seem to be on the advertiseing sponsored channels such as ITV and Channel 4.
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:00:34
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This will be interesting!
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:03:47
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On 2006-08-22 01:00:34, axxxr wrote:
scotsboyuk without spoiling your thread can i just say i knew you would eventually miss our little debates!
How ironic that you are my first reply.
This should prove to be interesting!
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I don't actually think the license fee is good value for money at all,the better quality programmes seem to be on the advertiseing sponsored channels such as ITV and Channel 4.
This is actually not too bad a reply; you state your view and give a reason for doing so. This takes care of the first response someone might level at you (and I say this with my tongue very firmly in my cheek), namely that you don't provide any substantial reason why you are saying what you are saying.
What I would suggets is citing an example though. Perhaps you could list a few programmes on the advertising sponsored channels that have been critically acclaimed? If I were responding to you I would probably list various BBC programmes that have won awards or recieved great praise. You could pre-empt this by mentioning them yourself and then pointing to Channel 4/ITV programmes that have also received positive feedback. Pre-empting your opponent in a debate is a good tactic for keeping them off balance.
What you might also do is take a two pronged strategy. As well as focusing on the programmes you could also look at the license fee itself. You could point out that it isn't fair to everyone if they are poor or that some people perhaps don't watch the BBC, but still have to pay the fee. By taking this approach you would be opening up a new line of debate, which can bog your opponent down, especially if you know more about it than he/she does.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-08-22 00:12 ]
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:09:46
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hold up...
the license fee is well worth it..
advert free radio is what the world needs... i dont need ads to tell me what shampoo i need to buy.. granted there are ceratin programs on other channels i enjoy watching but i do not watch adverts..
adverts are what makes the people of today what possession driven people they are. i for one have fallen ill to this medium, as wish others not to follow in line..
companies should develop through mord of mouth and suggestions. take for exampe the pizza chain "pizza express" they dont believe in advertising yet they have 280 restaurants in the UK.. i think that speaks voulmes for them.. i just wish other companies would do the same..
take heed you multi national companies. i dont buy your products becuase David Beckham or Davina McCall "approves" them, i buy products that are reccommended to me by people i trust and funnily enough i don't trust you multinational companies as far as i can throw you in relation to your "recommendations" so please quit with the ads and let word of mouth do the advertising then we will see who the big boys are.
fatreg
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:12:50
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On 2006-08-22 01:12:50, fatreg wrote:
the license fee is well worth it..
A good start; you state your view nice and early and very clearly.
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advert free radio is what the world needs... i dont need ads to tell me what shampoo i need to buy.. granted there are ceratin programs on other channels i enjoy watching but i do not watch adverts..
Be careful to check facts though; there already are advert free radio stations although you could say this was a general point you were making.
The mention of adverts being bothersome is a nice touch; it highlights one of the advatages of the BBC.
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adverts are what makes the people of today what possession driven people they are. i for one have fallen ill to this medium, as wish others not to follow in line..
You are skirting on a philosophical argument here, which is a good way of drawing a debate into an area that can't really be proven or disproven. I would save this for when a debate is becoming difficult because it can be a useful method to bring a debate to a point where you can't really loose (or win).
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companies should develop through mord of mouth and suggestions. take for exampe the pizza chain "pizza express" they dont believe in advertising yet they have 280 restaurants in the UK.. i think that speaks voulmes for them.. i just wish other companies would do the same..
You are going on a little too much with the advertising line here. Until someone picks up on it save your ammo; you may need it later.
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take heed you multi national companies. i dont buy your products becuase David Beckham or Davina McCall "approves" them, i buy products that are reccommended to me by people i trust and funnily enough i don't trust you multinational companies as far as i can throw you in relation to your "recommendations" so please quit with the ads and let word of mouth do the advertising then we will see who the big boys are.
fatreg
This isn't too good an ending actually because you criticise multi-national corporations selling products; this really isn't central to the debate. Furthermore it may indicate to your opponent that you are of a particular political persuasion, which he/she can then use to say that your political bias is informing your judgement and leading you to an incorrect conclusion.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-08-22 00:20 ]
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:19:37
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That was actually very helpfull,and you made some very good points, i should have been more specific in regards to why i think ITV and Channel 4 provide better quality programming compared with the BBC and also how the license fee maybe acceptable to some like fatreg
and not the rest of us. :
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:20:08
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This is probably subjective, but I think the licence fee is good value for money, the BBC produce much more interesting and unique programmes than ITV - looks at all the programmes on there that have the word 'celebraty' in or are 'reality' TV shows.
Great idea for a thread Scots, my debating skills are probably pretty bad!
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:20:42
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On 2006-08-22 01:20:42, Sammy_boy wrote:
This is probably subjective, but I think the licence fee is good value for money, the BBC produce much more interesting and unique programmes than ITV - looks at all the programmes on there that have the word 'celebraty' in or are 'reality' TV shows.
Great idea for a thread Scots, my debating skills are probably pretty bad!
This is a good opening because you make your view known, but at the same time you also make yourself appear objective by saying it is subjective. This is a good way to wrongfoot an opponent because it is then harder to claim tat you are acting out of bias.
You highlight a strength of the BBC and a weakness of ITV (in your opinion), but again I would say that providing more specific examples would be a good idea. For example, you could point out that most successful comedies of the past ten years have been on the BBC, whereas ITV has had a host of celebrity themed programmes that have been somewhat similar in character and that don't necessarily offer a great deal of choice.
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:24:20
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You all seem to have done not too badly with the first point for debate, so let's move to something a little harder.
There is no absolute right or wrong.
Also, let's look at what to do when someone becomes personal (again my tongue in my cheek). If someone makes a personal comment in the course of a debate, what would your response be?
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-08-22 00:30 ]
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Posted: 2006-08-22 01:28:38
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