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I have sold my M600i and am leaving the UIQ3 alone for now. Its been an interesting six months with it but I found that
1) I needed a basic simple camera and cant do without it - forced to carry a digicam
2) Too few third party software choices beyond games in UIQ3, at least for the things I need the software for
Despite the initial criticism of M600i, myself included, I found that after the third firmware, it far was more stable than the Windows Mobile phone I had used before. Keybaord is brilliant, just needs better access to the "&" symbol and it is perfect. Also needs to use either a joystick or put back the full 5-way and context capability on the jog wheel.
So I'm going to get a Nokia E50 and see how that goes.
But I hope UIQ will get on the case with some of these issues. Particularly the pointless "segmentation" whereby smartphone buyers cannot get smartphone unless it is in a huge, unstable device (P990i). This is really silly and of no value to anyone. If the idea is to upsell people to P990i, it is a dumb one IMO.
But overall M600i is a pretty good device. I hope to hear sometime soon that it has been updated a camera and more important - better range of software available, in which case I would for sure consider it. SE is really holding back this device from being an unisputed #1 seller by its not addressing these simple things.
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Posted: 2006-12-08 19:42:20
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Im considering sending my p990 back, its just that everytime I pick it up I want to keep it. A nice device but its not gonna do the job and it would take another 5 FW updates to sort it out, which isn't going to happen.
Hardware wise all 3 phones are top quality but I feel SE should have released only the m600 and sorted out UIQ3.
The reason for the m600 not having a camera is to make it cheaper and fill the 'no cameras allowed' gap, but mainly to make it cheaper i'd say. Otherwise the price would be on par with a p990 at the time the m600 was released.
The lack of software is a big problem and it seems like nobody wants to develop for UIQ3, especially with all these issues. What apps would you have liked though?
Personally, I dont even see these phones as smartphones. I bought it for the touchscreen SE UI which is actually even fun to use, just broken right now.
E50 is an excellent phone, theres an all black one out as well, but E50 is a non 3G. Nokia is going to capitalise on SE's mistakes if they make an announcement soon.
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Posted: 2006-12-08 20:26:53
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Hi osamede,londonlad123 and all,
Like you i tried my hardest to love and use my M600 but gave up and unlike some really don't believe everything will be solved by new firmware updates either although they may improve the current situation.
I have only been using Symbian S60 since late June of this year 3 in total first N70 then N73 and now N93 and to honest although i have had and used Ericsson and the SE phones over all others in the past i am extremely disappointed by UIQ3 and worse than that the fact that SE could release any phones with so many issues. Yes no phone is perfect on release and if not all most have some bugs to be ironed out. But with my N93 the first firmware upgrade gave me an extra 5mb Ram on start up increasing it to 22mb. The next firmware due anytime soon improves things further and at least with Nokia you actually get a breakdown of what is being done and to expect. At least on my N93 when i use Handy Taskman it reclaims and releases all of the Ram unlike my M600.
I very much doubt at this time i will ever purchase another SE phone ever and certainly not when newly launched, from looking at the many Forums around this seems to be a growing trend as many are now leaving SE as although they can accept the problems they are less than happy at the way SE has handled this and find the lack of communication inexcusable as well as how long it is takeing for new firmware to appear. Personally i am stunned that anyone @SE saw fit to release these products and seeing as they were in development for so long it's not like they were rushed.
Marc
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Nokia Black N93, 2gb SanDisk & 1gb Kingston MiniSD and Tom Tom 6.
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Posted: 2006-12-09 00:14:41
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Hey Marc,
I feel your pain as you know. I tried, I begged, I pleaded with SE to support the very basics, i.e. USB Mass Storage, and sync functionality via the Mac platform and this was wasted. SE should be hit hard over this. I work as an engineer for the US military and I get to recommend products. I had initially recommended the P990 and M600i, but after the responses from SE, I have recommended that the US military NEVER purchase from SE. I recommended the E61. It is stable. Works very well and has enough software to keep people happy. SE shot themselves in the foot on this.
Loving my E61.
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Posted: 2006-12-09 01:06:31
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The lack of software is a big problem and it seems like nobody wants to develop for UIQ3, especially with all these issues. What apps would you have liked though?
I use London streetmaps - a lot. On Windows mobile the A-Z maps werre great. ON UIQ3 the only one available is is the Tube 2 series by Visual IT, but it is poky slow and poor interface. S60 3rd has london streetmaps by Lumisoft which are phenomenal.
I also need language translations dictionaries and here UIQ3 is not doing it for me at all.
No decent 3rd party PIM on UIQ3 either.
BTW I dont think a camera costs THAT much - hell SE has them on all their comsumer phones. Even a 1.3MP one like the E50 would do me fine. I wasnt asking for a 5 or even 3MP stunner. Just to quit making this artifical division of "business tool" and consumer too.
Besides if the M600i was REALLY a business device then why is it that we have no ability to categorize contacts and calendar etc. None. Any project management software - none. So what is the pretence for. Put in the camera.
So this idea that they are segmenting M600i as a business e-mail device rings hollow to me.
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Posted: 2006-12-09 02:22:52
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The lack of software is a big problem and it seems like nobody wants to develop for UIQ3, especially with all these issues. What apps would you have liked though?
I use London streetmaps - a lot. On Windows mobile the A-Z maps werre great. ON UIQ3 the only one available is is the Tube 2 series by Visual IT, but it is poky slow and poor interface. S60 3rd has london streetmaps by Lumisoft which are phenomenal.
I also need language translations dictionaries and here UIQ3 is not doing it for me at all.
No decent 3rd party PIM on UIQ3 either.
BTW I dont think a camera costs THAT much - hell SE has them on all their comsumer phones. Even a 1.3MP one like the E50 would do me fine. I wasnt asking for a 5 or even 3MP stunner. Just to quit making this artifical division of "business tool" and consumer too.
Besides if the M600i was REALLY a business device then why is it that we have no ability to categorize contacts and calendar etc. None. Any project management software - none. So what is the pretence for. Put in the camera.
So this idea that they are segmenting M600i as a business e-mail device rings hollow to me.
That streepmaps app is good and they have developed for the p800, p900 and p910 before, so yeah UIQ is all about patience that we should have to have. Language translation apps, I think I've seen some, called SlovoEd or something like that. Here you'd be better off looking for Java apps. As for PIM apps, I totally agree. Though I'd only use MSN apps from Microsoft not 3rd party like agile. Project software theres Projekt or something like that.
The camera doesnt cost SE much but the privilege of you having a camera in your phone will cost you much more. But the justification for not including a camera because its a business tool only serves a few people, while everyone else is allowed to have cameras. Thats why I'd say the reasoning is really to make it cheaper.
You can catagorise contacts and calender notes into folders or leave them unfiled. In Inbox or Calender its in the top right corner.
My problem with UIQ3 is the stability, bad UI design and the lack of apps. To sort this out properly its going to take SE at least a year and no less.
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Posted: 2006-12-10 20:07:22
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had my P990 for some months now, main issues are:
- slow in betweene menues (RAM problem), soooooo anyoing
- battery (waiting for the BST34, paid and ordered but no date yet)
- using TomTom - works fine (re maps and such stuff) but have to close all other apps down, otherwhise it refuses to start (mainly active sync)
will try the Samsung SGH-i320 nxt week with windows mobie, my colleques have it and they are extatic and its extremely slim. low battery cap but at least a 2nd battery is provided with its own charge facility, there is a follow-up on the i320 with better camera and 3G
camera is not really important to me as its a work tool for me, active sync works fine basically, but not up to Blackberry standard (had BB before P990).
P990 could be great with a more efficient operating system (& maybe some more RAM), UIQ is just not good enought and its worrying that SE have boutht UIQ which could only mean SE will be only customer to UIQ in the longrun - fat chance any other phone manufactures would stay on...(Nokia etc)
Sorry about the P990 nagging but I'm really upset not being able to get the best by buing the "best" - and I think UIQ is the main problem, windows mobile seems to take over
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Posted: 2006-12-10 20:47:54
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Well,well,well.I`ve bought and still got the p800,900,910i so i`ll be investing in the p990 before christmas.
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Posted: 2006-12-10 20:59:45
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ever heard of Projekt??? also, there is PIM software to be launched (its in beta stage), plenty of translators, etc...there isnīt lots of software, but the situation is not has bad has you said
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Posted: 2006-12-10 21:42:20
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@amanno1
And when you get one you will see what is a new dimension of mobile technology enjoyment:) Maybe at it's present state P990 can't handle many applications at once like P910 but it's certainly a thousand miles above it. I know I love it more and more every day.
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Posted: 2006-12-10 22:05:00
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