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I've had this phone for a week now, and I've just called T-Mobile (UK) as I'm sending it back. In my opinion it's completely flawed. Here's why:
1. Contacts - This is the thing everyone uses most on a phone so this need to be slick. On my Windows Mobile you can just type a couple of keys and it simultaneously searches for numbers and names with that combo. Eg. If I type 5 6 it searches for all numbers with 56 in, and also lists alll names with "jo" or "ko" or "lo" etc ANYWHERE in the name. It's so quick, easy and intuitive. On the SE M600i firstly you press Contacts, then you type the name, then you realise the keyboard is in ALT mode, so you delete the numbers you typed, then you type the name, hoping that you have sorted contacts correctly (First name etc) then you eventually get there. Rubbish.
2. The battery is terrible. I got this phone to use as a 3G push email handset. With 3G on and email being pushed (via Exchange Activesync) the battery just lasts a day if you don't do much else.
3. There is no way of knowing if the keyboard is about to type a letter or (ALT) number. This is unforgivable.
4. There are no hard buttons for starting/ending calls. It's primarily a phone, so NEEDS these buttons.
5. Opera crashes a lot. The first thing I tried to do was buy an item off eBay. Opera crashed every time I tried.
6. The screen quality is poor compared to my HTC C600 SmartPhone. The colours just look washed out, and blacks are mid-grey.
7. My SPV C600 has a mini USB connector for charging/syncing. The M600i has some proprietary connector. Grrr...
8. Interface is sluggish at the best of times, and that's with handwriting recognition turned off.
9. There is no button to get me 'home', although this may be a problem with T-mobile locking the buttons.
I'm so disappointed as I'd been looking forward to this phone for quite a while. I really can't believe it gets so much praise on these forums. By the way I am on the latest firmware.
Any ideas on an alternative?
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Posted: 2007-01-30 10:27:59
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alot of your problems (ie not missing features) are down to the branding and that has been the biggest complaint of the M600 here, especially as I think there is still no firmware update available for the latest release.
I can only reasure you that the unbranded ones work alot better and there is now the possibility to
get yours unbranded if you wish to
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Posted: 2007-01-30 10:36:57
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Can you let me know which of my listed problems are fixed by de-branding my phone please? I'm about to finalise returning it so I'm really interested in knowing...
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Posted: 2007-01-30 10:49:14
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The first point you mention is so very true, and the thing I miss most from moving over to my w950i from a c600. I also agree that the contacts are not easily enough reached. Teething problems? I don't think so. Severe lack of thought? Probably.
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Posted: 2007-01-30 11:51:38
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2,5,8 and 9 will all be ficed by having the phone derbanded.
Both Ourselves and Coxy offer this service.
SEunlock.co.uk
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Posted: 2007-01-30 11:53:29
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1. Contacts - This is the thing everyone uses most on a phone so this need to be slick. On my Windows Mobile you can just type a couple of keys and it simultaneously searches for numbers and names with that combo. Eg. If I type 5 6 it searches for all numbers with 56 in, and also lists alll names with "jo" or "ko" or "lo" etc ANYWHERE in the name. It's so quick, easy and intuitive. On the SE M600i firstly you press Contacts, then you type the name, then you realise the keyboard is in ALT mode, so you delete the numbers you typed, then you type the name, hoping that you have sorted contacts correctly (First name etc) then you eventually get there. Rubbish.
Firstly -- I really don't see the point in searching for a contact by the phone number, if you know the phone number, just dial it. That's the point of a contact list -- so you don't have to remember phone numbers. I really don't understand the reasoning or the logic behind having to search via the phone numbers. Unless you name your contacts 1, 2, 3.
Also, on my M600, the contact search defaults to text mode. So either have your software updated or figure out what you are doing wrong.
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2. The battery is terrible. I got this phone to use as a 3G push email handset. With 3G on and email being pushed (via Exchange Activesync) the battery just lasts a day if you don't do much else.
Can't relate to this as I don't use push email on this device, but to me talk time is a bit low.
Quote:3. There is no way of knowing if the keyboard is about to type a letter or (ALT) number. This is unforgivable.
Look at the top of the screen. There are icons indicating the current text mode. Next time, perhaps a good read of the manual (that book that comes with the phone) might help.
Quote:4. There are no hard buttons for starting/ending calls. It's primarily a phone, so NEEDS these buttons.
To start a call, from the Today screen, just type any digit. To end a call, once you are in it, hit the end call button on the screen. Really quite simple. Sorry you don't like it. Perhaps you should have noticed that it didn't have these buttons on the phone before purchasing it?
I mean really, this is like saying "SE didn't read my mind before designing this phone. Its crap!"
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5. Opera crashes a lot. The first thing I tried to do was buy an item off eBay. Opera crashed every time I tried.
Can't comment except to say to try and update Opera as it didn't crash on me (then again, I don't buy items from Ebay).
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7. My SPV C600 has a mini USB connector for charging/syncing. The M600i has some proprietary connector. Grrr...
Most new SE phones have this same connector. So your point here is that you don't like the connector? Or you don't like it because you cannot plug in your mini-usb cable into it? I like it because the same charger for my K750 works on my M600
Quote:9. There is no button to get me 'home', although this may be a problem with T-mobile locking the buttons.
The back button will take you to home, but this might be a branding issue.
Quote:I'm so disappointed as I'd been looking forward to this phone for quite a while. I really can't believe it gets so much praise on these forums. By the way I am on the latest firmware.
Post your firmware; your branded firmware may not be the latest.
Quote:Any ideas on an alternative?
If the keyboard is important to you, then the Nokia E61 comes to mind. Other phones with similar key layouts are the BB Pearl. Or you could go for the i-mate JASJAM if you like WM
Sorry if I seemed a bit harsh -- but to me it seemed you didn't give the phone a sincere effort and are bashing it without a proper evaluation period.
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Posted: 2007-01-30 13:03:45
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On 2007-01-30 13:03:45, fyrestrtr wrote:
Firstly -- I really don't see the point in searching for a contact by the phone number, if you know the phone number, just dial it. That's the point of a contact list -- so you don't have to remember phone numbers. I really don't understand the reasoning or the logic behind having to search via the phone numbers. Unless you name your contacts 1, 2, 3.
you've misunderstood how this works. its not the phone number you are keying, it is the letters of the name that you are pressing ala T9 texting
what windows mobile does is look at each possible letter for the digit you have pressed and compares that with the contact list to give you a reduced list. the more digits you press that correspond to the name you want, the narrower the search becomes in the same way that T9 narrows the possible words by the combination of digits pressed when writing text messages
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Posted: 2007-01-30 13:13:20
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M600, sorry guys i had the P800-900and 910 my M600 is the best just take the last update buy dreamconnect and put the tweak pins in it and just work with your phone, it is a very good phone, but what phone is 100 % none of them. use it like you should and the M600 is a verry verry good one. a camera, i take nice pictyures with my digital camera.
Whit the dreamconnect you can use the smart find and you will be able to find all the contacts like it was on the P910, just find your french restaurant by typing french and you will find it, this function is missing on the M600, as i cam from a P910 and there i typed all my contacts in with special finding words, but now it is solved for me.
Gregory
[ This Message was edited by: gmlens on 2007-01-30 12:30 ]
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Posted: 2007-01-30 13:27:30
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fyrestrtr, thanks for your sensible comments. The only fair comment in that whole list seems to be the contacts issue, but personally I find it a minor difference of UI, not an issue of poor performance or design.
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Posted: 2007-01-30 13:47:38
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get it debranded and it will seem like a new phone
i used seunlock and they were good
you then get proper shortcut icons and can use the hard button to get bac k to home screen
then load up twin peaks to sort the speed
yeah, contacts isnt great, but someone will sort if soon i guess
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Posted: 2007-01-30 14:12:53
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