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With all the respect to se we haven't seen any uiq phone with camera and wi-fi,the basics for a smartphone,for 16 months now.meanwhile htc and nokia the 2 biggest rivals of se in smartphones have launched numerous phones with wi-fi +cam.so where is competition from se.and don't tell me p990 that model is old.
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Posted: 2007-02-11 17:20:00
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true...very true...
hope the m600,w950 and p990 succesors will have wifi!!
R
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Posted: 2007-02-11 21:24:42
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Uh, P990 has Wi-Fi, I use it all the time without problems.
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Posted: 2007-02-11 22:57:03
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On 2007-02-11 17:20:00, Nicksefan wrote:
With all the respect to se we haven't seen any uiq phone with camera and wi-fi,the basics for a smartphone,for 16 months now.meanwhile htc and nokia the 2 biggest rivals of se in smartphones have launched numerous phones with wi-fi +cam.so where is competition from se.and don't tell me p990 that model is old.
SE are still working their way into that market. Look at Nokia, they released ONE touchscreen phone (Nokia 6708), and it runs UIQ2 (NOT UIQ3 OR s60), has neither EDGE, WIFI nor LAN. Nokia don't have their own touchscreen UI yet, and in my view a smartphone isn't a smartphone without a touchscreen.
So HTC is the only main competitor to SE for touchscreen based smartphones. Nokia's qwerty device (button based qwerty kyb), the E61 has good connectivity but no touchscreen and no camera.
So when you really look into it, Nokia are falling down as well. They have all these so called "smartphones" with hardscreens and s60, but they can't get a decent touchscreen phone together.
Atleast P990 has a touchscreen, has 2MP autofocus camera, WIFI, and 3G. Not a single Nokia phone meets those specifications (despite you calling it "old)
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Posted: 2007-02-11 22:59:50
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Touchscreen alone does'n make a smartphone!!
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Posted: 2007-02-11 23:21:03
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@Max wedge and all,
Nokia don't make touchscreen smart phones through choice not any deficiency in thier operating systems. SE have only recently released 3 UIQ3 smart phones one of which was delayed for so long it was released in a much less than acceptable state that no one would dare argue against and hence has the dubious honor of the highest return rate of any SE product great kudos for a flagship model. SE % of the Symbian smart phone market is so negligible it is hardly worth talking about, as to how many more WM5 devices are sold I'm sure it is far greater than SE's. SE's smart phones now sell to a very small niche sector that after the fiasco of the latest releases has got even smaller as many once loyal followers have lost all respect and trust in SE. SE may of improved their market share but this is due to their Cybershot and Walkman phones along with their budget models as far as smart phones go SE doesn't even register a blip in the big picture. It is also MO that SE had no choice but to buy UIQ as no other manufacturer is interested in using it and even now 6 months after the launch of UIQ3 devices the problems may have got better but there are still many left to be resolved. So SE announces UIQ3.1 before resolving the issues of UIQ3 how many UIQ3 users will upgrade if this is released without the UIQ3 problems being fixed first?. If you like Nokia or not there share of the smart phone market with S60 is much more widely used and stable than anything SE and UIQ3 have been able to produce. As for your statement that a smart phone is not a smart phone without a touchscreen sorry but that just plain stupid it may well be your opinion but not of all the happy non touchscreen smart phone users in the big wide world.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-02-11 23:31:25
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At the SE press conference today, Miles Flint said SE will reveal their plans for UIQ at 14:th of Feb at 9.00 at the 3GSM trade fair, so be patient.
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Posted: 2007-02-12 00:12:35
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On 2007-02-11 23:31:25, Dogmann wrote:
@Max wedge and all,
Nokia don't make touchscreen smart phones through choice not any deficiency in thier operating systems. SE have only recently released 3 UIQ3 smart phones one of which was delayed for so long it was released in a much less than acceptable state that no one would dare argue against and hence has the dubious honor of the highest return rate of any SE product great kudos for a flagship model. SE % of the Symbian smart phone market is so negligible it is hardly worth talking about, as to how many more WM5 devices are sold I'm sure it is far greater than SE's. SE's smart phones now sell to a very small niche sector that after the fiasco of the latest releases has got even smaller as many once loyal followers have lost all respect and trust in SE. SE may of improved their market share but this is due to their Cybershot and Walkman phones along with their budget models as far as smart phones go SE doesn't even register a blip in the big picture. It is also MO that SE had no choice but to buy UIQ as no other manufacturer is interested in using it and even now 6 months after the launch of UIQ3 devices the problems may have got better but there are still many left to be resolved. So SE announces UIQ3.1 before resolving the issues of UIQ3 how many UIQ3 users will upgrade if this is released without the UIQ3 problems being fixed first?. If you like Nokia or not there share of the smart phone market with S60 is much more widely used and stable than anything SE and UIQ3 have been able to produce. As for your statement that a smart phone is not a smart phone without a touchscreen sorry but that just plain stupid it may well be your opinion but not of all the happy non touchscreen smart phone users in the big wide world.
Marc
So what's so great about your nokia s60 smartphone's hey? You say s60 is as competent as UIQ for touchscreen use, if so, why does the only current NOKIA TOUCHSCREEN phone use UIQ2.0 and not s60 (the 6708)?? The fact is, NOKIA don't have a viable touchscreen OS. If you don't agree, show me the s60 touchscreen phone? (the touchscreen 7710 is series90, is 2 years old and doesn't have 3G OR wifi).
There is nothing substantial that an s60 phone can do that K750, K800, W850 etc can't do except install symbian s60 apps. You can however run java apps, in the background, on all current SE phones. You can run simoultaneous java apps on all SE mid to high end phones, and multitask between them. The java platform has almost complete access to the phone hardware, so JAVA apps are comparable in potential as to what they can do, as symbian apps.
So what is the great advantage of non-touchscreen s60 over non-smart SE phones? Hey? Please tell me I'd like to know...
To the end user they don't give a crap if the phone is technically a smartphone or not. All they care about is what can it actually DO? What features does the phone have? etc.
And as far as the importance of touchscreen, I say again if I don't have a touchscreen and the ability to input text quickly and efficiently, any other benefits of the hardscreen smartphone are severely hampered. When I go from my XDA to my K750, I prefer my K750 as a phone, but severely miss the handwriting recognition when I go to do anything serious with my K750. It's not the smartphone os that I miss, but the touchscreen.
Just recently I used an imate windows smartphone (hardscreen), and seriously, I would rather my K750/XDA combo. Hardscreen orgonomics are simply not conducive to getting the most out of a smartphone. Neither in terms of user input, nor any advantage in terms of multitasking (given the java platform maturity)
I'm not arguing with a persons personal choice, I'm just saying that what the market generally thinks of as "smartphones" is easily accomodated by phones like the K800.
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Posted: 2007-02-14 02:53:52
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max_wedge
Quote:The fact is, NOKIA don't have a viable touchscreen OS...
I think Nokia dont see any urgency in touchscreen. If TS is so hot, Nokia would have easily churn out more phones using S90 (while waiting for S60 to ready TS support).
Quote:There is nothing substantial that an s60 phone can do that K750, K800, W850 etc can't do except install symbian s60 apps.
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To the end user they don't give a crap if the phone is technically a smartphone or not.
User may not know definition of smartphone but they may not so ignorance as you make them out to be. Unlike you
, they would not say "nothing substantial" to bigger screen, higher color, GPS, EDGE, WIFI, office doc support, good video recording and other multimedia like Flash/realplayer, great web browser, good games, online service like Nokia search, maps, YouTube etc that are characteristics of S60 phones.
Quote:You can however run java apps, in the background, on all current SE phones. You can run simoultaneous java apps on all SE mid to high end phones, and multitask between them.
For someone (like you) who knows so much about smartphone multi-tasking, why the self-degradation in trying to imply that "java multitask"
is the same as real multi-tasking.
Quote:I'm just saying that what the market generally thinks of as "smartphones" is easily accomodated by phones like the K800.
Then tell me why SE bought UIQ?
Why do Moto bother to come out with Z8?
And there are group of users (like me) who made up a substantial portion of your so-called "market" who think you are talking bull.
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Posted: 2007-02-14 05:40:36
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nokia users are always behind, its those people who you always see running after the bus, or sitting on the wrong one.
nokia phones need a touchscreen to be great. what good is a gps phone without a touschreen, come on thats like really old 90's style.
appart from GPS, and chinees handrighting the UI is the most imporatant thing. a touchscreen phone gives you so much more. but SE needs to push it more. they have done so last year, but they need to keep thier P phone far ahead of time.
more personal for me is that SE has got an RX1 ready by 2009. otherwize SE will have completely failed me. (the RX1 is an ericsson prototype showen in 1999, it had more functies then any phone today, nice looking, touschreen, anything you can think off).
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Posted: 2007-02-14 05:57:43
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