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Posted: 2007-06-11 03:28:32
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P1i
+ Touchscreen and full QWERTY keypad, scrollwheel too, makes messaging easier and gives you more choice. In this regard it competes with, and betters the Blackberrys too.
+ The camera *probably* produces better shots. SE stills shots are better, even with lower pixel counts. (eg K750i vs.N80)
+ Probably a better battery life (N95 is truly awful in this respect, Nokia penny-pinching basically)
+ Better build (the metal looks much more durable than the N95's plasticky case)
+ Has a business card reader.
N95
+ More internal memory, faster processor and a lighter OS should equal faster performance compared to P1i.
+ It has built in GPS
+ More pixels and better Videos compared to SE. I think the N95 does VGA at 30fps.
+ Has a graphics card of some kind. Also, the layout begs for it to be used as a gaming device... and has TV-out as well.
+ S60 3rd Ed. currently has more market traction than UIQ, which means more software to choose from.
+ Nokia's Web browser is amazing.
+ HSDPA. iPhone just *might* have this in a year's time.
iPhone
+ Best looking, sexiest device ever. Good reasons to buy it regardless. It's pretty thin and has an enormous screen and memory.
+ Revolutionary interface, should really be considered the new iPod that makes calls and browses the web instead of a phone
+ Great phone to computer integration with iTunes.
+ Google Maps and an even better browser than Nokia's.
- Price, and a good chance of being tied to a network you don't want.
- Lack of physical buttons will slow you down when using basic phone functions like text messages.
- Specs such as inferior camera and lack of a 3G European model will set it back
- Apple are limiting software development, which is good for quality but not quantity of software choice, making it even more proprietary, more so as it's a new platform (S60 and UIQ are relatively easy to port apps over for as both are Symbian based.) This is a deal-breaker , as it wont be a true smartphone if apps you need never arrive.
- Apple say they are working hard on battery life, I can't see it being anything but bad. And as it's not removable... you can't even buy a spare.
I am veering towards the P1i as the N95 is currently way too expensive and iPhone is really a candidate for 2008. I'd like to wait until September to see the response to the P1i. I suspect that N95 tries to do too much, which affects its core function as a phone. While it fixes many issues my N80 suffered from, the battery being worse is a step backwards. I haven't decided yet but it is a two horse race between these two.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 04:41:12
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a note i read recently on the N95 said that 2 of the UK phone companies have blocked the VOIP capabillity of the phone!!! this is to protect their revenue. it may actually be a network thing rather than the phone, but it still sounds wrong to me.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 08:46:45
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Having worked with phones for a VERY long time, I can quite safely say that the N95 is the single most overrated and disappointing device I have ever seen.
If you get a good one then love it and cherish it, and never let anyone else touch it, because they are like gold dust.
I have had 8 customers in the last 3 weeks alone returning theirs because of SERIOUS faults. One customer has no returned 5 in litlle over a week, and another is now onto his fourth.
As a camera or GPS it is awesome, don't get me wrong, the features are outstanding.
BUT, as a phone it is aweful, 7 returns due to major software issues that prohibit the function of making calls. 3 return due to the inability to have it powered on for more than 2 hours without it crashing for no reason, and 11 returns due to the microphone not functioning during calls, working on some calls then not on others.
This is in the last 3 weeks. I wouldn't take one if you paid me, they are SOOOOO much trouble, as with the N73 and the N80 etc, Nokia have failed to produce a reliable and stable s60 handset, and I hate to think what will happen to the reliability and stability of the firmware after a couple of months.
The P990i had problems for a long time, but they were all small FW issues that were niggly instead of major, and it took a long time to fix them all, so SE aren't innocent either, but at least the P990 has always functioned as a phone and at the end of the day that is what it is, the N95 fails at the most basic level to even function as a phone, so it's either a really expensive paperweight or merely a camera.
Just my humble opinion, and this from someone who was on the prelist to get one of the first ones in the EU from Nokia, who promptly sent it straight back.
Hopefully the P1 will live up to my expectations, though I have no doubt that it will take a couple of FW updates to get rid of some bugs, as per usual.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 10:16:29
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@seunlock-uk
Usually your posts are of quality and make sense but i think you must be working too hard as your memory is obviously playing tricks on you.
Your quote of
"The P990i had problems for a long time, but they were all small FW issues that were niggly instead of major, and it took a long time to fix them all, so SE aren't innocent either, but at least the P990 has always functioned as a phone and at the end of the day that is what it is"
You really can not be serious on this point, i humbly suggest you go and read the early P990 threads where the phone would restart to improve performance on a incoming call or in the middle of a call. As well as being showing as working and not receiving calls, as to small firmware issues you really can't be serious it took the best part of 8 months for this device to even start to get stable and still is awaiting yet another new firmware.
There are hundreds of posts of complaints as to the deficiencies this device has to call them minor FW issues is just not backed up by the facts as otherwise this device would of been nearly perfect within a matter of a couple of months which it most certainly wasn't. now it may only have minor niggles as you put it of course ignoring the major memory leak that is still present @ about .5mb of Ram a day.
I really can't comment on the N95 as it never interested at all but there seem to be an awful lot of them sold and a lot of happy users. I am not saying it is perfect or that Nokia are blameless either i just find it hard to believe it is any where near as bad as you are trying to make out it is.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 10:33:31
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The iphone is their first phone and I'm not quite sure it will be that good in practical terms. The n95 is feature packed but dull and boring. The p990i,well it should've been recently. My pick would be the p1. Hopefully it will be working properly when released.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 11:10:00
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I love the SE phones, something about them that just seems 'right' but the N95 (which i now have having sold my P990i) outperforms in every single aspect..except..
The downside ... and it's a BIG downside is the battery life. I have to charge it every day - and a good example of how it makes the phone unuseable is this - i have a T-Mobile web n walk max plan - i was in the garden streaming BBC 6 music on my fully charged N95 this weekend - within 1h30mins - the battery was flat - the phone wouldn't switch back on without a charge! This is the single reason i don't see this phone as being practical at the moment - a mobile is there to use while your 'mobile' - i want radio/web/email/streaming TV, talk, text while i'm out - i can't do this without finding somewhere to charge after 2 hours of good use!
i'm already debating going back to the P series - just wish i could use all apps in flip closed mode - a mobile should be designed for 1 handed use - while your walking or with a pint in your hand in a pub
this is where the iphone falls down for me, i'm a big apple fan, i have a Powerbook at home, an ipod etc...however the iphone, although great - will still need 2 hands, it doesn't have 3G, if i'm out - i'm not willing to pay for wifi access, i also want 3rd party apps to enhance the phone - the iphone won't (at this time) allow me to do that..
so it's probably N95 for me until SE give me a P series with inbuilt GPS and maybe more practical one handed use....
of course this is just my own opinion
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Posted: 2007-06-11 11:16:37
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Great post macjasp, Y
You've highlighted a lot of issues there that apply to many people.
I too am not 100% happy with the P990i flip - its just not convenient enough for 1 handed access to your apps so I am really the same position as you.
The P1i is an attractive prospect however I am again concerned about the 1 handed texting on this phone, will it be more of a hinderance than a help?
The N95's battery is a big problem, when I am out and about with my brother and we're comparing phones you can be guaranteed his phone will be close to dying. Something as fundamental as battery life needs to right first time.
So for now I'm still in 'wait and see' mode.
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Posted: 2007-06-11 11:51:08
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... i really don't quite get the n95 battery-b*tch! My laptop hardly survives 90 mins on standby with a fresh battery! The n95 is a bit of a laptop, so why not charge it once a day, what is the big deal; for how many users is that a really big problem? i'm not saying, nokia shouldn't fix it (
I have an e61 - battery-life's so good it's scary)...but if you live in the wilderness, would your priority be buying a bloody phone? Is it so hard to plug it in overnight; while your in a car? While you connect it to the pc?
It's like b*tching about crisps' salt content... Or craving for a nokia touchscreen without acknowledging any of the obvious disadvantages of touchscreens... (well, right, bad comparison, but still)...
So, is it really such a prob? Why not carry a second battery, they are not exactly huge?! Not as huge as an mp3-player, 5mp camera, smartphone and gps-unit!!!?
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Posted: 2007-06-11 11:55:06
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That's exactly the 'bitch' point, Maggflodd! As someone else who has owned both N95 AND E61 to compare, I can't deal with the fact that my 'flagship' N-series has a worse battery than a non-flagship, superceded model E-series(which runs a bigger screen, btw)! And I hate it that much, the N is going asap, 5Megapixel cam, GPS or otherwise(don't start me on build quality)! Only E61i, or maybe E90, will keep me happy, it seems......
(If N95 had a 17" screen, then I'd only expect half a day's use!)
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Posted: 2007-06-11 12:11:25
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