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This ugly issue has raised its head again with a high profile policeman hitting out at the parents who let the children run 'feral' in the streets and the poor man in Warrington attacked and subsequently dying after confronting yobs.

Is the shopkeepers fault for selling the booze in the first place?

Are the Police taking on the role of surrogate parents and are thus too stretched to do their job properly?

Should the parents be ultimately responsible and this fined or even jailed for their childrens behaviour?
Should the alcohol be priced out the reach of off-licence drinkers?

Should alcohol be banned in all public places?

How should this be tackled?
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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:31:29
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This is down to one lot of people, which is the do gooders.

You cant hit your kids anymore, teachers have to sit on their hands when dealing with unruly pupils, the police dont have any authority, and all because of the do gooders.


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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:39:45
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more background in this BBC article

many areas within Australia have bans on alcohol ni public areas. In fact I read recently that the whole of Alice Springs now has a public alcohol ban

my son is nearly 18 and we have started introducing him to the odd can of beer. We figure if he joins us and sees responsible drinking that it should have a good influence on him.

But clearly peer pressure will change that as it did for us when we first started drinking and went out with our mates.

Another point is that many European cultures allow children (14+) to drink the odd glass of wine at meals and we don't hear many stories like this from those places
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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:42:18
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@Pmerryman

Well thats one argument however, a lot of parents would argue that they have never needed to hit their children and have ended up wth perfectly well behaved children.

So wouldn't the responsibility again come back to the way parents bring up their kids?

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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-08-15 13:44 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:44:01
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yes - But they need to try a differnt approach, you cannot just lock kids up to stop them drinking.

Got to remember, its not just the alcohol which is the problem, its the fact the kids are twats
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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:44:49
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kids aged about 14-17 here are growing up FAR TOO FAST. Their parents need to do much more, they let them run riot! They have to be a little harder.

these kids think their s**t dont stink! I know im fairly young, but i dont fit that age bracket

they try to go to clubs (overage) not underage ones... when they have parties (house/hall), all they do is drink, get into fights etc etc... and kids these days tend to be hanging out in large groups, say 5+ people, so fights start easier....
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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:54:45
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It is the kids that are twats as you say, and it may be the way that they have been raised by bad parents.

The drinking in teenagers has been around for years, we must have all drank a bottle of cider on a weekend, and at around 90p for a litre, that was very cheap. So people cannot say that booze is too cheap and easily available, when it has been like that for years.


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Posted: 2007-08-15 14:55:18
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this comes down to 'respect' or a lack of it in my opinion. that includes respect for yourself and other people.

i used to drink with friends out in a park from the age of 13, the main things being, we did it away from public view, in moderation due to the fact that if out parents found out we'd get in major trouble!

we never got into trouble, we had parties etc, and had a good time!

but where has the discipline gone from todays society? parent seem to scared to tell of there kid if they do something wrong! or dont they care?

i think its this left-liberal minded attitude 'dont smack kids' culture that has let kids run riot. what wrong if you tell your kid no 3 times and they still do it, they should be punished but i never see it anymore!

who's reponsibilty is it to disipline kids? school teachers or head's? No. police men and women? No. Parents?.... well i honestly think they dont either now.

at the end of the day if some under 18's want to get alcolhol, you'll never stop them. but what you can stop is people being so SOFT on them, and soft on the parents!!!

SO my answer is yes, parents need to take more action and responisibility for there uner 18's actions and just teach them some respect and disapline!

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[ This Message was edited by: batesie on 2007-08-15 14:16 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-15 15:13:30
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So what would you say the difference is between the kids of today and the kids of say a couple of decades ago? The fact that drink has always been available from one outlet or another might not be the problem but isn't it a lot more accessable now?

Admittedly, parent were allowed to slap their kids in the past in a way which is frowned upon now.

Is our celebrity obsessed culture to blame? Are we glorifying the so called celebrities who come rolling out of nightclubs stewed to the gills and rolling around in the gutter, who then sell their story to a celeb mag and end up on the front page of the very next issue, airbrushed and looking gorgeous?

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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-08-15 14:20 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-15 15:18:45
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I used to drink in the local park, and near the local chippy when we were around 16. We hung around in a crowd of around 13 people, and we never caused any trouble, or got into any fights.

It is all down to respect, as earlier posted. If you dont have respect for anybody, you may as well give up now.

The kids know that you cant hit them for being cheeky, wether it be the parent, the policeman, the teacher, and this is where the respect falls down.
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Posted: 2007-08-15 15:20:00
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