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razec Posts: > 500

Some may find this uninteresting, due to the popularity of Symbian and MS Windows Mobile. but one platform that has made a very big leap towards non-OS phones popularity particularly Sony Ericsson and Motorola was the Java Platform. and aside from that J2ME is binary compatible with the popular and powerful hardware accelerations engines i.e. nVidia and ATI many more - a thing Symbian does not/or at least limited for the OS to utilize due to different system architecture only few phone enthusiast know that Nvidia graphics chip has been there for some time on both motorola(Razr v6, v3xx etc.), O2 XDA PDAs and Sony Ericsson(W900) and has never been implemented to Symbian until this time. but J2ME supported them!

ATM i can see JavaME being a very powerful platform capable of doing what symbian can do - especially when we talk about "CDC" profile which makes a J2ME phone even more powerful than CLDC can. but Symbian's extreme popularity among mobile developers axed the promise J2ME offers. that's why we barely see powerful Java apps for our J2ME phone.

We evidently discerned Java's maturity on SE and Motorola(if anybody knows what brand/company had implemented a more/at par powerful Java platform for their devices please post here ) with their JP and LJ(linux Java/JUIX) platforms. Afaik with SE and motorola, we were able to install megabyte sized .jar file without pains compared to other with motorola we're able to run Java apps excellently fast with the help of Nvidia Engine, so as SE with W900.

now my purpose for creating this thread is for us(J2ME lovers,users,fans) to expect/predict what would be SE's J2ME after JP-8 which currently supports MSA, Accelerometer API and Java binding for OpenGL(3D graphics, the reason why JP-8 phones now support QVGA+ resolution video rec. and better 3D Java games) yeah i'm talking about JP-9! if you ask me, i expect JP-9 to support CDC profile and MIDP 3 as well as many other APIs to be released from Sun's J2ME community how about you? share us some J2ME lovers

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[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2007-12-08 08:24 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-08 09:23:06
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NightBlade Posts: > 500

Yay! I hate them Symbian and WM OS'es. Too complicated and not as straightforward and good-looking as Java.
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Posted: 2007-12-08 09:55:13
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razec Posts: > 500

i loved J2ME for it's robustness and being safe from the scourge memory leak(thanks to Java's garbage collection feature which C++ lacks )

@max_wedge: looking forward to read your opinions matey
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Posted: 2007-12-08 10:30:56
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max_wedge Posts: > 500

of course mate, one of my favourite Mobile related subjects

I think J2ME will only get better. Motorola and SE have pushed the j2me envelope steadily over the last couple of years and I think they see it as a legitimate way to give software vendors access to the mobile phone platform without having to extend a native smartphone os to all their range.


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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:13:35
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mib1800 Posts: > 500


On 2007-12-08 09:55:13, NightBlade wrote:
Yay! I hate them Symbian and WM OS'es. Too complicated and not as straightforward and good-looking as Java.


good looking? Java? You got me there.
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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:16:22
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NightBlade Posts: > 500


On 2007-12-08 11:16:22, mib1800 wrote:

On 2007-12-08 09:55:13, NightBlade wrote:
Yay! I hate them Symbian and WM OS'es. Too complicated and not as straightforward and good-looking as Java.


good looking? Java? You got me there.

Troll much?
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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:28:24
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max_wedge Posts: > 500

It's the app designer who determines the look and feel of any java app. Some java apps look crap, some look very slick. Just depends.
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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:30:57
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razec Posts: > 500


On 2007-12-08 11:30:57, max_wedge wrote:
It's the app designer who determines the look and feel of any java app. Some java apps look crap, some look very slick. Just depends.



and i'm sure most people find SE Java UI awesome basically as expected for a Sony UI which i find all of them user-friendly and very nice(from alpha cameras, PS, Cybershots, Bravias, Network Walkmans, Clies and VAIOs )
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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:38:41
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QVGA Posts: > 500


On 2007-12-08 09:55:13, NightBlade wrote:
Yay! I hate them Symbian and WM OS'es. Too complicated and not as straightforward and good-looking as Java.

too complicated for someone like you, not the other billion population that uses WM and symbian phones.
Whilst java maybe progressing, it will NEVER be an complex and open ended as an OS, otherwise we're talking about WM and symbian becoming endangered!
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Posted: 2007-12-08 11:57:01
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max_wedge Posts: > 500

KD Player is an example of a good looking java app, especially if you use a decent skin

Like my Walkman skin


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Posted: 2007-12-08 12:12:12
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