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To begin with, two nightshots..
Both hand-held, same position, same conditions..
N8:
Original
Satio
Original
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Posted: 2010-12-08 19:26:53
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Could you upload both to imageshack and rezise them to 1024 size, for better forum comparions whilst keeping the originals linked ?
From those rather small examples i prefer the N8.
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Posted: 2010-12-08 20:01:37
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Hard to compare as they use two completely different ISO's.
N8-700, Satio-100
Despite being darker, Satio's is obviously better.
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Posted: 2010-12-08 22:02:54
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Satio has noisier photos from what I have seen before
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Posted: 2010-12-08 22:08:02
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On 2010-12-08 20:01:37, etaab wrote:
Could you upload both to imageshack and rezise them to 1024 size, for better forum comparions whilst keeping the originals linked ?
Already thought about it..
I'll be uploading some number of photos and it would take time to do it all over imageshack.. You know, more clicks and copy-pasting..
Then, the originals are what counts.. And on imageshack, one has to download the photos to own destop to view full size..
So the whole process is some pain in the ass for both sides if we're talking about tens of pics!
I prefer Esato's way for efficiency..
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As to the first two pics,
It's one hard choice despite the obvious difference in the two results.
Detail better on the N8, but noise higher as well. This is expected.
As with noise/detail, even in daylight, the Satio's approach is about aggressive noise reduction on teh expense of some detail (consumer friendly), while Nokia's approach is about highest detail possible while maintaining an acceptable level of noise (prof way)..
Now as to the overall exposure and color rendering, here comes the confusion. Specially the point Vit talked about.
What's better: Low ISO with slower SS, or High ISO with faster SS?
The difference is completely obvious in those two photos.
The issue here, if both cameras are handed full user control over SS and ISO, there is no doubt the N8 would by far deliver higher-quality photos!
With lack of those controls, we have to settle with those two "automatic" approaches where it's difficult to pick a winner.
With automatic setting (night scene mode) the Satio delivers more realistic results, while the N8 delivers oversaturated photos (could be more pleasing to the average user) but with better detail/noise handeling..
Now, with playing with the EVs (lowering the EV a little on the N8 whereas it lowers the ISO with it) or by post-processing better results could be achieved by the N8.
Highering the ISO on the Satio would ruin the photo by excessive noise and lack of detail at the same!!
That's why I consider N8's approach with those cemeraphone limitations is better.
First, one could play more with the availabe setting to achieve the best results.
Second, much faster and easier snaps due to lower SS. No blurs, no need for tripods or steady hands, just point and shoot once..
But credits should be given to SE for producing such a user friendly cameraphone.. Which despite a year older, still very much up for the competition..
More examples to come. And of course other scenes comparisons.
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Posted: 2010-12-09 02:41:33
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See, id disagree with anyone who would say the Satio takes better pictures, especially at night time, remember my comparisons of night shots ?
Satio VS N8 night shots
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Posted: 2010-12-09 20:58:48
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I have some extra time, here are etaab's pics from the other thread.
Same comments as on the pics I provided above.
Only thing to note here, with etaab switching from night mode to normal mode in th esecond pic, the N8 went for faster SS rather but kept the ISO teh same! It would have been nicer if the EVs were played with or the ISO solely..
Satio
Nokia N8
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Posted: 2010-12-09 23:39:39
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Here are Vit photos:
N8 (ISO-500, 1/5s Shutter Speed):
Satio (ISO-100, 1s Shutter Speed):
N8´s crops:
Satio´s crops:
First of all, it's important to note that the two photos were shot at completely different times, different positions, and different angles!
Despite that, some comments:
Details/noise handling as other examples..
At ISO 500 the N8 for my taste delivered a better exposed scene.. I can't be sure since one needs to see the scene with bare eyes, but fact is the two photos were shot at two different times it's hard to tell the better exposure anyway..
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Posted: 2010-12-09 23:50:58
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Ok, back to imageshack.. Didn't know only ten photos allowed per day on Esato..
Notes:
- Pics on Satio feel closer because of the wide angle lens on then N8. The two cameras were held at exactly same position and at same angle all over the shootout.
- These photos were for comparison purposes, not to pull out the max of each camera or some artistic/appealing images.
- Satio's photos top, N8's bottom all over the post.
Close-up, flash on, indoors, lightbulb..
One feels a little touch of over-exposure by the Satio.
Tight win for N8.
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Close range, flash on, indoors, lighbulb
More detail and less noise on the N8!
Realistic color represesntation as well compared to Satio's too colorful photo!
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Close-up, flash off, indoors, low light condition
Both photos tuned up blury.. Expected under such conditions with the cameras hand-held.
I could have held them more firmly however..
Anyway, it's a huge win for the N8!
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Medium range, flash on indoors, lighbulb
More detail and less noise on N8!
Much better color representation..
Satio coloring the scene too much as well, but better flash uniformity!
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Medium range, flash on, indoors, lighbulb
Catasrophe!
Blue turned green on the N8!!
Instead of correcting the white balance, the N8 f*cked it up!!
Horrible..
Here's with manual White Balance correction before shooting, but still horrible:
Any suggestions to why the N8 performed that horribly in this scene?!
I tried everything.. White Balance, EV, ISO, contrast, scene modes.. All gave similar horrible color rendering!
Post-processing didn't help either!
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Medium range, flash off, indoors, lighbulb
Still the same..
However, this time with manual white balance corrections, the N8 wakes up:
Very appealing. Huge difference! And defintely beats the Satio.. But not "automatically"!!
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So, indoors under low light conditions the N8 was superior. With exception of that blue curtain phot with flash on! I'm still in shock!!
Anyway, still two scenes will be posted indoors with daylight coming through..
Then, I'll move outside.. Hopefully the sun will drop in the coming days.. We haven't seen her for weeks now.
[ This Message was edited by: false_morel on 2010-12-11 10:46 ]
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Posted: 2010-12-11 10:09:08
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I have stated previously, that the N8 suffers in indoor low light flash photography.
I believe Damian Dinning is working on this mode for next firmware update.
All of my indoor shots either come out too blue or too yellow.
The settings i have found which provide me with the best indoor flash details are
1. Red eye flash
2. Sunny White Balance
3. -0.5 exposure compensation
4. Color Tone Normal
5. ISO LOW
Its still not great, but its the best balance (for me) of accurate color tones and good exposure
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Posted: 2010-12-11 22:30:56
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