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I looked at a comparison between the SE P800 and the Nokia 3650 and was noticing that the information on the Nokia 3650 was incorrect. I wanted to let you know to update some of your information:
1) Memory: the chart says P800 has 12+16 whereas the 3650 only has 4. I can only presume that the 12+16 means 12 internal RAM and 16mb expansion RAM. The Nokia also comes with a 16mb expansion RAM MMC and can upgrade to 128mb (the current limit on MMC expansion cards).
2) Battery life: I find it hard to believe an additional 150mAh on the battery will DOUBLE the standby time and MORE THAN TRIPLE the talk time--even at a higher voltage. Especially since the P800 is a more expensive device to keep running (power-wise: larger screen for starters).
3) Games: While the 3650 may not come with any games, the 3650 has practically all the gaming power of the P800. I would argue that the delta between the gaming power and the 3650 is small.
4) Syncronization: Both phones have it, do it in many ways (cable, bluetooth, IR), both talk to same apps (Outlook, Organizer, .CSV). 'Nuff said.
5) Calendar: Does too! Page 104 of the N3650 Extended User's Guide. 'Nuff said.
[ This Message was edited by: winhack on 2003-02-25 16:26 ]
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Posted: 2003-02-25 17:25:00
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1. That is true. The P800 comes with 12MB internal memory (well actually 16MB, but the OS takes 4MB), and 16MB external in the format of the Memorystick DUO. I don't know if the 3650 comes with an included MMC-card or not. Actually neither the 3650 or the P800's memory card is optimal. SD-card would be better... But that is of course my opinion.
2. Well... standbytime, is just what it says. Standyby-time, means while your phone is "idle". And the P800 turns off the screen at idle time. When it comes to the talk-time, it is actually the radio efficency that makes the difference, and the screen etc doesn't matter much. The last few years SE/Ericsson has been far ahead of Nokia when it comes to talk-times. The hardware design also makes a lot of difference when it comes to how long the battery lasts. Less components usually equals less power usage. There probably are quite some hardware differences.
As always all of the stated times are maximum times in perfect conditions.
3. As a gaming device, the P800 has one drawback, and that is the lack of a joystick or direction pad. Some games works well with stylus/jog dial though. But otherwise the P800 has a better screen with higher resolution, and even more importantly the P800 has a much faster CPU. With more advanced games like 3D games that makes a huge difference.
4. Hmm.. as always Nokia's bluetooth is really crappy. And the 3650 doesn't support the headset profile, and according to Mobile Burn the bluetooth performance of the 3650 is "spotty" when it comes to data transfers. AFAIK the 3650 doesn't support SyncML which is a real drawback.
5. Well, of course both have calenders. But one thing to keep in mind is that a calender is much easier to use when you have a touch screen (and also a higher resolution screen is always better). Hand writing recognition is also a faster way to input data compared to T9. (Especially with the 3650's "funky" keypad, ehich makes no sense at all... and is just plain stupid)
Another thing to keep in mind when comparing the two, is that UIQ/Symbian OS v7 is much more advanced than Series 60/Symbian OS v6.1.
[ This Message was edited by: ppcrockar on 2003-02-25 16:58 ]
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Posted: 2003-02-25 17:53:00
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1. I agree completely! I would have much preferred SD. So far, the people who I have talked with who got the phone say there was a 16mb MMC card included in the package.
2. I would agree that SE is probably ahead of Nokia in terms of efficiency and component count reduction in general, but that is still a HUGE difference. Even in a perfect world, I cannot help but be suspicious of such a gap. Also, while turning off the display helps a lot, many people will wind up putting on screen savers and what not, so the displays may not really be "off" much at all. But that is besides the point (especially since both P800 and N3650 users are likely to do that).
3. Agreed. I cannot imagine playing Doom with a pen. Does not make me feel warm and fuzzy!
4. The final version of the 3650 is not out yet, and we know that Nokia plans to put BT audio in the phone. It will be a question as to whether it makes it into the initial release or you have to get the phone flashed later, however. And I am pretty sure the Nokia does not support SyncML.
5. Higher-res is always better, and touch screen is nice here, but my point was that the comparison said the 3650 did not have it yet it clearly does. As for HWR, we shall see how good they do here. HWR is still a bit of a hit and miss thing. Some people, even after years of owning a Palm or a PocketPC still have one or two issues with HWR working with one letter or some symbols or some such. Not that T9 is perfect, because it is not. Also, IMHO the 3650 keypad may take some time to get used to but could wind up being just as easy as a normal 3x4 layout--much akin to getting used to a dvorak keyboard after using a qwerty for many years. Some people love it. Others think "Why bother?" To each their own.
6. More advanced OS, yes. Does that mean it's "better"? In the long run, it may be, but for how the two phones are designed (which means targeting two different markets, technically), it may not have the short- or mid-term impact some think it will. For example: do your parents NEED to run WinXP instead of Win98? Sure XP is more advanced, has newer versions of apps, etc. But for basic browsing, simple email, and basic productivity apps (Word, Excel, etc.) is it XP really that much better than 98?
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Posted: 2003-02-25 18:13:00
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1. Yes, the 3650 comes with a 16 MB expansion card.
2. At last check, I got 11 days out of a P800. I placed it in Flight mode and just let it sit there.
3. In all fairness, the joystick makes life easier for gaming. But the sheer CPU power of the P800 makes a big difference.
4. Final version IS out, and there's no audio BT.
5. The calendar of the 3650 and the P800 are both excellent Symbian calendar implementations. I love how easy it is to browse through it with a touchscreen though.
6. I wouldn't say "advanced" so much as "A different series OS". Each has their benefits.
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Posted: 2003-02-25 18:53:00
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Has anyone mentioned that the n3650 does video? As well what is the difference between the cameras is one better than the other?
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Posted: 2003-02-25 19:05:00
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On 2003-02-25 18:13, winhack wrote:
I cannot imagine playing Doom with a pen.
You don't need the stylus to play Doom..
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Posted: 2003-02-25 19:07:00
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As I recall, Flight mode turns off the phone portion of the device. What is the battery time with the phone turned ON and not called? There is no similar mode for the N3650, so it's not exactly an equal comparison when the P800 is in Flight mode.
11 days in flight mode, huh? 11 days * 24 hours/day = 264 hours. Not quite the 400 that shows in the comparison page, but still admirable. I am curious to hear (read) what the P800 battery life is when not in flight mode.
Oh, and the final ENGLISH version of the 3650 is just starting to ship NOW, so the final ENGLISH version has not been out as of yet. I have heard different reports about it having or not having BT audio support in it. Time will tell.
[ This Message was edited by: winhack on 2003-02-25 22:28 ]
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Posted: 2003-02-25 23:22:00
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With "regular" phone mode, 5-6 days is achievable.
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Posted: 2003-02-25 23:23:00
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l had a 3650 in my hand today & thought it was great, BUT the keyboard sucks big time! l found it VERY unpractical!
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Posted: 2003-02-26 00:16:00
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One thing that could explain the talk time diff is that Nokia uses more power in radio transmit = better signal.
My four last phones have been 7110, T68, 7650 and P800, and it seems to me that Nokia has an upper hand in call quality under bad conditions.
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Posted: 2003-02-26 00:25:00
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