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just thought you might like to know. sitting here at work watching the news and Cingular is looking to either merge or purchase another cellular company and the company that keeps popping up is AT&T wireless! Very interesting as each company is trying to compete with T-Mobile's dominance in the US GSM market. but that may be good for us T-Mobile users we'll probably see a price decrease and package feature increase!
So my questions are:
1. What do you think if Cingular and AT&T Wireless merged?
2. What do you think the new company will be called?
My answers:
1. both wireless companies suck so i could care less but for T-Mobile to be a much stronger competitor
2. i think the new company will be called AT&T Cingular.
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Posted: 2003-12-23 20:32:14
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I've heard about this news for a while now but I have comments on what you have posted.
1. The reason why Cingular is trying to Merge or buyout another cellphone company is because they wanted to be the No. 1 cellphone provider in the whole of US because as of now, they are second to Verizon(which is not a GSM provider). In short, they not trying to compete with T-Mobile. This being said that Cingular is the second largest cellphone provider, they are then a lot bigger than T-Mobile.
2. Also, like a year ago or two, when you say T-Mobile, the first thing that the Cellular world thinks is Cingular. This is for the reason that T-Mobile is not yet fully established in the US that a lot of their networks are being provided by Cingular(even up to now). This also means that during those time, T-Mobile only has service on areas where Cingular have because they are using Cingular's Network.
3. With the issue of Merger or Buyout, If Cingular chooses AT&T, their option is merger because AT&T is also big. But if they choose T-Mobile, they will just buy it out because T-Mobile is small enaugh for Cingular to just buy it.
[ This Message was edited by: rraz9228 on 2003-12-23 20:54 ]
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Posted: 2003-12-23 21:34:48
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sure cingular is larger than t-mobile ONLY in the USA, but just the same in Texas, Cingular GSM users are using t-mobile's network through out central and east texas. yes, i know VZ is the largest cellular company as I am a Verizon employee (VZ Corp. the parent company, not wireless div.). but as far as t-mobile being to small, that is partially true because t-mobile is still trying to make a dent in the us market, but worldwide, cingular dwarfs in comparison to T-Mobile Int. which owns T-Mobile USA which then leads me to believe that T-Mo Int. will not sell it's USA division as this would be backing out of the USA market. what do you think? i think this topic is interesting as it can change the view of the entire wireless market in the us.
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Posted: 2003-12-23 22:23:36
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I dont mean to offend you. What I'm just trying to say is some facts that I know should be noted in your post.
First, I'm not arguing that T-Mobile is larger than Cingular worldwide, I know that fact. Actually if we are taking of world market, AT&T is even bigger than Cingular. What Im trying to say is Cingular is trying to Buy or Merge with another company not because I will quote you in this one.
You said:
"Cingular is looking to either merge or purchase another cellular company and the company that keeps popping up is AT&T wireless! Very interesting as each company is trying to compete with T-Mobile's dominance in the US GSM market"
Well, I just wanna say that what you said is not the reason why Cingular is trying to buy or merge with another carriers but because they wanted to beat Verizon as the No.1 Mobile proveider in the US and not trying to compete with T-Mobile.
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Posted: 2003-12-23 22:37:26
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no, i'm not arguing
that's just what msnbc said is that they're looking, and looking hard.
the end result is....it's all about the bling bling!
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Posted: 2003-12-23 22:41:07
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Yup! you are right. Its all about the dominance in the market and bling bling(which I dont have). hehe!
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Posted: 2003-12-23 22:49:08
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Cingular and T-Mobile are the same company....It has been kept a secret too long...Time to let it be known....I will be killed by morning for telling this.
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Posted: 2003-12-24 05:27:54
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hahahahahahahaha
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Posted: 2003-12-24 23:55:34
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If Cingular is owned by T-Mobile then this would give a unfair advantage to the other networks.
T-Mobile is owned by Deutsche Telekom AG. (German Telcom) which bought out several companies over the last few years.
Voice stream in the USA and one2one here in the UK.
Why would Deutsche Telekom AG not change the name of cingular like all the rest of the companies to T-Mobile. It would be in Deutsche Telekom AG in there own interest to have one main company which would have a worldwide name.
You can check
www.telekom.de which does list every company that is owned by T-Mobile and Deutsche Telekom.
At&t and Cingular are both small companies in the Mobile phone market and may merge or even merge with companies from around the world this would give them a better prospect and cut costs down in new products, Companies share technologies like Mobile phone compaines share masts.
Here in the UK coverage is pretty good on all our main 4 networks but 3 the latest company is still new and only has limited coverage. So when you are out of range on the 3 network, the phone swaps to o2 but only for phone and sms.
Vodafone and Orange are looking to enter into the US Market and may opt to purchase or buy shares in either companies. The US GSM Mobile telecoms industry is a very new and up and coming area and also is a large slice in the telcoms industry.
T-Mobile Int would not sell T-Mobile US as this would not be seen as a viable soloution in the telcoms industry. It would show that T-Mobile int has no faith in the US market and T-Mobile has no faith in the product it sells. This could cause masive problems in the growth of the GSM / 3G networks in the US and a waist of investiments from companies.
The Vodafone and Orange Brand are a well known brand here in the UK as well as the rest of Europe, the brand is also know by most countries around the world.
However Orange is Ownded by France Telecom and Vodafone is own by Manesman, both are very big compaines.
I hope the above helps and makes sense.
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Posted: 2003-12-27 03:48:35
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T-Mobile is inferior in size to both AT&T and Cingular (not their GSM portions) and Deutsche Telekom was looking for a way to merge with someone (preferably Cingular) about 18 mos ago, since they were bleeding a lot of cash in this market (negative cashflow of about $1 billion per year).
I am not sure if they manged to stop that loss, but if they didn't, I wouldn't be surprised to see T-Mobile up for sale in the next year (regardless of its potential value).
On the other hand, if they managed to stop the cashbleed by attracting new customers (primarily from AT&T), it wouldn't be the least surprising to see Cingular and AT&T merging to position themselves for this "attack".
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Posted: 2003-12-27 05:12:36
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