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wvl Posts: 14

So you have a P900 and an 30GB iPod, a fairly sized music collection mostly digitalized in mp3, two 128MB memorystick duo's and a 3.5mm to 2.5mm converter. Now, will you keep that iPod in your pocket along with your wallet and P900? That's what I'm trying to find out.

I converted most of my mp3's to P900 suitable oggfiles* and copied about 7 albums worth to the two memorysticks.

I'm pleased so far with the amount of oggs that can be stored and their quality - but i guess I'll really know in a few weeks what's going to happen with my iPod

Here's the homegrown script I used to convert from mp3 or ogg to 'p900 optimized' oggs. Erm, for the people using Windows: no need to try this, it won't work.
(wordwrap will probably kill the script, but that doesn't matter because it won't work without a few changes anyway):

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#/bin/bash
DIR=/mnt/media/mp3/*/*.mp3

for i in $DIR
do

echo "*****" Working On File: $i "*****"

# MP3 & id3 stuff
id3info "$i" > id3.txt;
TITLE=`awk '/TIT2/ {print $5,$6,$7}' id3.txt`;
TRACKNR=`awk '/TRCK/ {print $7}' id3.txt`;
ALBUM=`awk '/TALB/ {print $5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}' id3.txt`;
ARTIST=`awk '/TPE1/ {print $5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}' id3.txt`;
TAGINFO="$TRACKNR $ALBUM $ARTIST $TITLE";

# Ogg & Ogginfo stuff
#TITLE=`ogginfo -v $i | awk -F= '/title/ {print $2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}'`
#TRACKNR=`ogginfo -v $i | awk -F= '/tracknumber/ {print $2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}'`
#ALBUM=`ogginfo -v $i | awk -F= '/album/ {print $2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}'`
#ARTIST=`ogginfo -v $i | awk -F= '/artist/ {print $2,$3,$4,$5,$6,$7,$8,$9,$10,$11,$12}'`
#TAGINFO="$TRACKNR $ALBUM $ARTIST $TITLE";

if [ "$TITLE" = "" ]
then
echo "**"ERROR"**" File contains no taginfo: $i
else
echo Taginfo: $TAGINFO;
mplayer -ao pcm "$i"
oggenc --name-remove=" " --name-replace="" --tracknum=$TRACKNR --title="$TITLE" --album="$ALBUM" --artist="$ARTIST" --names=%a_-_%l_-_%n_-_%t.ogg --downmix -q2.98 audiodump.wav
echo ;
fi
done
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[ This Message was edited by: wvl on 2004-03-21 19:55 ]
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Posted: 2004-03-21 20:53:40
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zAjben Posts: 37

Nice, how is the soundquality / image size on OGG-files compared to MP3?
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Posted: 2004-03-21 21:28:44
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wvl Posts: 14

At the moment I consider the quality good. But I'm sure if I were to do a side by side comparison of the iPod and P900 that the iPod would win. Don't forget the P900 can't do stereo (at least not with the equipment I'm using).

The only thing I've noticed so far is that some songs seem to lack some bass that was present in the mp3 (although the sound is by no means 'flat'). This is my only a minor complaint at the moment. Of course if I up the encoding quality level to 3 or 4 then that'll probably be solved, but at the expense of storageroom of course.
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Posted: 2004-03-21 21:44:13
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sapporobaby Posts: > 500

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Are you really serious about comparing the P900 against an iPod for musical playback? I think your are comparing apples and oranges. The iPod is strictly for music reproduction while the P900 is a phone that happens to have the ability to play media. Do you see the difference there? I do not see the iPod trying to connect to the net via GPRS. I can appreciate your enthusiasm but I think your use of the P900 as a music player is a bit of a reach.

BTW, I have an iPod as well and with about 2500 songs in my pocket, Etymotice headphones in my ears, I am quite content to have my P900 brick somewhere in my cargo pants pocket.
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Posted: 2004-03-21 22:25:38
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IainsTheName Posts: 71

Can anyone explain to me what ogg is??

Thanks in advance
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Posted: 2004-03-21 23:00:12
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azzeg Posts: 86

*ogg* files are similar to mp3s in quality but much reduced in file size. i had an mp3 which was 4mb and converted it to 2mb with no quality lost, just much easier to store on a mem stick being max 128! you will need ogg player and coverting software!

ok mate?
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Posted: 2004-03-21 23:21:10
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IainsTheName Posts: 71

^^^Cheers for that dude

Now I don't surf these kinds of threads scratching my head anymore
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Posted: 2004-03-21 23:46:19
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Macfreak7 Posts: 13

A better solution is to lose your wallet then you won't have to carry three things! That's what happened to me, i lost my wallet (along with a bunch of money) so now i only carry my p900 and ipod.

ok ok, that was just silly and unfortunate.
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Posted: 2004-03-22 02:40:55
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tommy1971 Posts: 34

I'm have both P900 and iPOD and I don't think you can compare them, it will make more sense to compare P900 to small cap mp3 players, I have ripped most of my personal CD collections to the iTune/iPOD so most of the CD is locked up in the box, except those with great quality which you only want to hear with CD Player and Hifi system. I can pick any song from any album i have at anytime with my iPOD, I only store the latest pop songs on my P900 so I can listen when my iPOD is not with me.

I don't understand why you use a P900 without stereo.

I think the P900 produce a comparable good quality of sound when compare to iPOD, i have tried it with the Etymotics ER-4 and Sennheiser PX200 which I think are the best head/earphone available for the MP3 players.

Tom
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Posted: 2004-03-22 03:19:08
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wvl Posts: 14

> I don't understand why you use a P900 without stereo.

Because it doesn't support it? I did a quick google but couldn't find anything to support my assumption.

As for the iPod versus P900 question: of course the iPod is a hell of allot better than the P900 at playing music.

But for me it's not just a comparison of two products, it's two bulging coatpockets and two products with overlapping functionality. The question isn't if a P900 is as good as an iPod, the question is is a P900 *good enough* to play a reasonable amount of music at a reasonable quality level.

BTW, as for the size of the oggs:

1.8M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_01_-_PrisonSong.ogg
1.8M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_02_-_Needles.ogg
1.7M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_03_-_DeerDance.ogg
1.2M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_04_-_JetPilot.ogg
1.1M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_05_-_X.ogg
1.9M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_06_-_ChopSuey!.ogg
1.1M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_07_-_Bounce.ogg
2.2M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_08_-_Forest.ogg
1.6M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_09_-_ATWA.ogg
1.5M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_10_-_Science.ogg
1003K SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_11_-_Shimmy.ogg
2.0M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_12_-_Toxicity.ogg
2.0M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_13_-_Psycho.ogg
3.3M SystemofaDown_-_Toxicity_-_14_-_Aerials.ogg
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Posted: 2004-03-22 07:20:49
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