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Warning: these are just a lot of gripes I have about , their new line of phones, the way I see the company is being run, and changes for the worse that I've seen. If you don't like reading gripes, then stop now...


This is actually what stopped me from buying a P900. If SE abandoned the SW upgrades of the P800 so quickly... hell, the P800 isn't even stable! What more the P900 with the next gen just around the corner.

Yes, they now allow user upgrading... but how soon before they just stop?

I'd have gotten a P900 right away, and kept my P800 had they offered a UIQ upgrade for it.

The P800 and P900 only have a hardware screen difference...but the OS on the P800 can't be upgraded to the newer UIQ? BS... Since Sony joined in, we're getting as much BS from them as Micorsoft.

I used to buy EVERY new Ericsson phone that came out. And my older ones still would get SW upgrades.

The T68i upgrade seemed to be the last nice act of Ericsson before the SonyEricsson management came into the picture

I hope this new president gets his act together unlike the last one. Better product support (Ericsson has much better product support than Sony), products actually released on time, upgrades that are more significant that a case change, and new screen (what is this becoming??? a Japanese car show?!??! Oooo... the new Toyota Camry, with upgraded lights!)

I don't mind different models in different form factors... T610, Z600. But don't give us a P800/P900... and T610/T630. And call them "NEW MODELS".

The P900 and T630 are forgivable for now... this being their first crack at things... but I hope this isn't the start of a new trend in

If things are gonna be run like they are at Nokia (If I wanted a Nokia, I'd get one)... I'm switching over to Siemens.

I guess I wouldn't be complaing so much if the idiots at design didn't choose baby blue to begin with... I wonder how stupid those people are!?!? I have nothing against blue... I just don't think it was a good choice as the ONLY color.

I mean... are all the current designers fresh out of kindergarten!?!? The rumored P900 with keypad is still being studied for ergonomic purposes?!?!? Man... those things should be common sense for good designers who actually use mobile phones. Or did they just get the ones that fell off the wagon and hit their heads REALLY HARD?!?!?!

A P900 with a keypad... marketed as an upgrade!?!? If they don't offer an upgrade path for P900 users... then that's dumb. Even car manufaturers allow you to change lights and other small items to give your car the 'newer' look.

I hope that my suspicions of a REAL P900 replacement are true... otherwise, I guess the technical innovation really died with the true genius that was Ericsson Mobile. And we're all in for a very boring ride with old technology, and bad designs.

Still waiting for that redeeming phone that will restore my faith in the GREAT brand that was Ericsson/SonyEricsson.
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Posted: 2004-05-11 19:46:48
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hope you feel better after that.
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Posted: 2004-05-11 19:51:30
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Posted: 2004-05-11 19:53:10
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yes i agree with some of your points but aren't you taking this a little too far, i mean christ they are profesionall designers you can't call them stupid, and considering the new designs and most designs from sony alone, i think you are really narrowing it down, i mean p800 wasn't the only model released by se sheesh

and about software upgrades, i really don't know what you mean, look at t610, i mean christ again you are narrowing it down like p800 is the only model.....
and about uiq and that shit, look p800 is still one of the best phones out there, in my opinion better than 6600 or sx1...... i find it very stable it rarely (read never) crashes, but if you load crap programs and such things on it then why the do you blame se? i mean in that logic s60 is the worst operating system because you can load apps that crash
and i do believe that p800 is a little limited with it's ram/rom storage and isn't fully capable of powering uiq 2.1

and just one thing, se released t630 and p900 because of sales, you have to made some compromises and you have to release a few "non-revolutionary" products..... why? well money, you said that ericsson was the last good phone company, well yes they were great in some ways but almost all the things you have against sony burried ericsson, look at nokia and microsoft and sony.....

and just btw, symbian is the main developer of sw upgrades for p***
we still get excelletn upgrades with other series!
and i don't really remember great sw upgrades with r380 either....



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Posted: 2004-05-11 20:20:26
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They offered an actual hardware upgrade for R380 owners to that newer one (can't remember the name... I think it was like an R380e or something like that, but they did offer the best upgrade to existing owners even during the early days of the merger) And they did a last minute saving grace by upgrading all T68m to the T68i... no functionality lost. And the P900 has the same internal memory as the P800, they just come with bigger Duos out of the box (which everyone ditches anyway) CPU on both models is identical.

Plus the fact that the initial 'feature' of running UIQ 2.0 was user upgradeability. And it still is. The only thing stopping it is SE, not UIQ itself. All the features on the P900 are available on the P800... SE just refuses to unlock them. That's what annoys me.

And yes, I can call them stupid even if they are 'professional' designers. (That has yet to be seen) Simply because there are a LOT of over-sights that are very clear from the start.

Example... ok, from the ancient R380, which has a good keypad... layout and design... we get the P800 keypad??!?! Did anyone even actually try out that keypad before production?!?!? It looks like it was designed by a 3 year old... it even feels like it was built by one. Senior designers would catch that before a prototype is even made. The keys are too close together, the 5 indention is hardly noticeable, and the pad itself is so flimsy a lot of people have cracked their screens cuz the keypad digs into the screen.

Aesthetics aside (since this is a matter of personal taste)... good designers can make good designs functional... that's the whole purpose of being a designer...and not an artist. A designer has a purpose and function in mind. If you hinder the functionality, then you cease to be a good designer.

Ok, the reason I'm narrowing it down to the P-series is because it's their flagship phone.

To nitpick on the T610, and K700 ... the camera and "online" buttons are placed so that if you hold the phone like a camera, your thumb can easily press the online button by accident. Not a big issue, but something that could've easily been adjusted had proper INTERNAL ergonomic tests been conducted.

Back to the P-800... the stylus. I'm happy though that this was fixed in the P900. But even the stylus on the R380 was a lot better... lessons should be learned from the past, not made worse. And like I said, I can forgive the P900 and T630. They are admirable attempts to address user complaints. And like I said, I just hope it isn't a trend of to release guinea pig phones, then release 'fixed' versions 4 months later. Release a phone, then a REAL upgrade.. or different form factors.

Ericsson had a management & production problems. Sony had an everything problem. The formation of SE should've learned from both their mistakes. Ericsson had the R&D, technology, and design. Sony had the money, manufacturing, and marketing. This wave of experimental phones should be more than enough for them to get rid of all their birthing pains and get down to business.

I think they're getting things right with the P900 and T630. And even though a lot of people like the K700, I can say, it looks good in real life... but somehow it doesn't live up to the T610/630... and they still forgot the memory card slot (despite the fact that all other manufacturers are putting one in theirs)

Funny thing I did notice is that SE seemed to have let go of their good designers... but kept all the bad SW programmers!!! All the weird quirks of Ericsson phones are alive and well in phones!!!! Slow menu, even slower SMS, weird glitches, and unstable OS. (UIQ not included since this is Symbian... but the FW on the P800 is unstable as well) The SW guys from Ericsson were the weirdest bunch... the simplest thing, SMS name tag, was over-looked for ages on their business phones!!!! Those guys seemed to have been kept on the payroll in

Now that being said, I've been a very loyal, and objective Ericsson/SE customer for about 10 years now. I've complained about Ericsson as well... but it's mostly out of concern as a concerned customer.

may be falling into the same trap as it's parent companies... they can't seem to figure out which direction to really take. Going back to what I stated earlier... I just hope that the P800/900 and T610/630 isn't the start of a bad Nokia-like trend. They're getting it right... I hope the stay focused this time around.

OT**just an FYI**Neonode was rumored to have been formed by a lot of old Ericsson employees... the design of the N1 was close enough that it could've been possible. But strange thing... Siemens new line-up has hints of the senior designers of Ericsson... and the new S65 is rumored to use the same platform as the T610. (hence the reported slow menus)**
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Posted: 2004-05-11 21:12:30
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Has anyone made a P900 style housing to replace the P800 one? I have a P800 and am happy with it apart from the Girlie colour and shite stylus (you need 3 as they fall off so easily) it is far better than the Sony Clie PDA that I swapped it for though and has a better battery life and OS stability,

but if I could change the housing to a better shape and colour with real stylus integrated I would be even happier. I don't want a cheap replacement I would pay for a good quality one.

I mean if the P900 is hardly any different appart from styling then there is not much point me changing phones (yet) again.

I also appreciate that the flip keypad would have to still press on the screen but I don't use mine so it is mainly the overall styling of the housing that bothers me.
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Posted: 2004-05-11 21:56:06
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On 2004-05-11 21:12:30, jplacson wrote:
CPU on both models is identical.


i always thought that there are now 2 cpus in the p900 unlike p800: one to handle the phone function and one for the pda part... or i totally got everything wrong
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Posted: 2004-05-11 22:07:41
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no the cpus are different

or is it the processer? but they have to be cos the phones are different!

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Posted: 2004-05-11 22:09:36
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I thought the CPU is the same... Because the p900 experience the slow video problem like on p800
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Posted: 2004-05-11 22:52:38
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The CPU(s)* are identical. Same clock speed, same chip. NO difference between the two.

jplacson wasn't quite right about the memory tho - the P900's internal memory is larger, mostly to accomodate UIQ 2.1. Aside from the improved screen, that's the only the significant hardware change between the two phones.

(* the P800 also has two processors, for separate phone and pda management. the emphasis SE put on the P900's "second processor" was pure marketing spin.)

[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2004-05-11 21:59 ]
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Posted: 2004-05-11 22:53:49
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