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During the last couple of days, I have received several PM’s about personal attacks in the forum. Some members did not like what was written here and sent a PM to the moderators and me. The topic was religion and it was started as result of the tragic incident in London.
The Esato forum was started because I wanted to host a place where people could find help with their mobile phone. That was the intentional idea behind it all. It has evolved during the years and has very large and active user base. Today, we also have a dedicated forum for general chat (garbage threads) and a forum called “Mobile phone free zone”. The topics found in the Garbage forum are marked with “read at your own risk” and is a place where moderators move topics not found suitable anywhere else. The threads found here are not searchable or visible on the wap site either. I have done this to limit the bandwidth usage when wapping and to save some CPU usage during search. All this should tell you that browsing this forum is risky and you might find things you do not like.
This is what we have done and are continuously doing to prevent frightening away our visitors. But one problem, which is difficult to handle, is when someone highjack a legit thread and forces us to move it to the Garbage forum. This is called threadjacking and is the practice of stealing another’s thread by posting off-topic replies. Some of you are doing this more often than others. Please keep this in mind before you reply to a post.
I do not agree with everything written here in the forum, but I have learned that my personal opinions not always are in the best interest of the community. The moderators and I can delete the topics we don’t like, but are in a way “forced” to follow the current rules.
The question is now. Where to we go from here? Should we allow discussion of politics and religion? Members wanting to discuss this should not have any problem finding websites dedicated to such subjects. I understand that it is possible to feel “at home” here at Esato and that it is easier to discuss these things with people you already know. Some of the moderators have stated that opening up for such discussions will require more active moderation. Much of the moderation time will be spent on watching these threads instead of keeping the forum “clean” as they to today. I seldom visit the Garbage forum, but are forced to do so when a member sends me a PM about an improper post. Browsing a thread found in the Garbage forum is something you choose to do. You are not forced to. You can’t even see any irritating thread subject before you click on the Garbage forum link.
The problem again is when someone constantly post political and/or religious comments within an existing thread. Should we allow this? Probably not. My personal opinion on this is to keep such remarks for your self.
The current forum rules have changed since the opening of the forum and will most likely change again. Do we need to change them now?
You will find the forum rules {url=http://www.esato.com/board/forumrules.php]here[/url]
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Posted: 2005-07-13 12:37:20
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I do not think the Esato rules should change.
People who want to post religious related thoughts can post
HERE where the debates are very friendly at the moment and people are very understanding.
I hate it too when some threads are hijacked with political/religious comments unnecessarily.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 12:42:33
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I dont think that religous or political threads should be banned but I do think that it is upto members who post in them to be responsible and not start name calling or being disrespectful.
I realise that this is harder work for the mods but I feel that people are intitles to their opinions and Esato is generally a very friendly place.
If things get out of hand a lot more then it should be looked at again.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 13:16:36
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I agree with JC
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Posted: 2005-07-13 13:42:19
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I don't see why threads about actual events in the world that influence peoples lives cannot be discussed to be quite honest. I gather there's been quite some discussion about this in the recent past, which I'm happily unaware of
However, I'll give my opinion anyway.
In my view the presence of threads that discuss actuality and / or politics and / or religion or all of the above is not a problem.
Possibly the way people react in such topics might be a problem.... but there are rules regarding forum behaviour in place. All we really need to do is stick to those and exercise a little respect to one another. Then there wouldn't be a problem and those threads wouldn't be as hard to moderate as they apparently are now.
Coming to think of it... this would probably aply to all threads and not just actuality/politics/and so on
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Posted: 2005-07-13 13:52:15
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I think we should ban such threads, its a mobile forum, no need to offer the chance for flaming. Thats the best way to avoid to fill the garbage with more posts. My suggestion might sound hard, but once in the roman empire the senat let dictatory for 6 month if democracy started to get out of control... The are enough other sites to discuss it. Esato must follow the way what laffen set years ago.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:01:06
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I posted this before, and I will post it again:
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I tend to stay away from political threads, generally, its not my bag to be honest. But, I think political threads should stand. If we stop these threads because they are "non-mobile" what about threads like "on the couch with scotsboyuk" and "miss copperfields chat about anything thread" and, of course, practically ALL my threads! If you start saying "you cant create political threads, its a mobile site" then surely, all the other non-mobile related topics have to go too? I know you are talking about flame wars, people arguing, etc, which a lot of these other threads i've mentioned aren't conducive to, but, its a community forum, as has been mentioned a few times, and, whether you are of a political bent or not, as part of the esato community, you have to respect that other members are. Of course, these threads do have a tendency to escalate into full scale vitriolic hatred at times, but cutting them out of esato? I reckon thats maybe a little drastic. Esato is a rich place, with intelligent, open minded people from across the world, and its good to hear these peoples opinions on a wide variety of topics.
And I would like to add this:
After the incidents over the last couple of days, it seems to me to be a handful of members, probably half a dozen, who seem incapable of discussing something controversial or "political" without starting some sort of trouble. The majority are able to discuss their views in a reasonable, adult manner. IMHO some members need to grow up. We dont need to ban conversations on certain subjects, its the (extremely) vocal minority who need to be told to cool it with their attidudes towards people who disagree with them.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:03:19
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I like this part...
Esato is a rich place, with intelligent, open minded people from across the world, and its good to hear these peoples opinions on a wide variety of topics.
I like the variety in age and culture on this forum and therefore feel political/religious debates should continue...
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:23:24
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On 2005-07-13 12:37:20, laffen wrote:
I understand that it is possible to feel “at home” here at Esato and that it is easier to discuss these things with people you already know.
And this is the reason why we should be allowed to discuss Politics,Religions and other everyday affairs as esato is home for me and other regular members who do not like visiting other forums.We see esato as a one stop shop for every day Mobile News, General News , Politics and just a friendly chit chat...Just a suggestion laffen but you could appoint another moderator for the political forum?
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:43:17
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I would certainly be wary. Although the vast majority are capable of debating sensibly, these threads will be easily ruined by extreme and insensitive posts.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:44:37
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