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Quote:you can't really make comparison's to non-touchscreen phones, afterall you are the one who can't fathom comparing an N90 to a K750
i'm comparing? As always, u jump the gun. Didnt I say the more likely scenario is P990 will compete against WM instead of Nokia's?
Quote:So in your mind all these bad things are claimed about SE, but in your mind nothing bad is ever claimed about Nokia, so of course you will think SE have all these problems
Did I claim Nokia phones have no problems/bugs? Isnt it I'm the one who said it took Nokia a few iterations before stabilising Series60? When P800 came out it was full of bugs and instability. Similarly for K700 and K750. So what will be different for P990? I think u r the one who is being defensive of SE here. If you choose to be selectively myopic, well...
[ This Message was edited by: mib1800 on 2005-10-17 15:40 ]
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Posted: 2005-10-17 16:39:36
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Myopic? WOt's sooo bad bout being myopic for SE??? ME for one am proud to be myopic for beautiful thingsb
@MIB U ashamed of being myopic for nokes?
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Posted: 2005-10-17 17:22:51
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Given a choice I wud hav to go for the P990.
I still hav my P800 & I love it to bits.
Yeah its a bit of a brick, but considering how much u can do with it, and the touch screen n all, i wudnt change it for any nokia phone!
jus my 2 cents
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Posted: 2005-10-17 20:01:16
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Get a good s60 phone mate
This message was posted from a Nokia
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Posted: 2005-10-18 02:10:15
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mib, do you really do believe that other phones don't have bugs? If not, then how is it that K700/750 owners are guinea pigs more so than any other phone buyer? How is it that you list this as a reason peeps won't buy P990?
Honestly mate I've owned both those phones and never had a serious problem. Neither has anyone else I know with these phones. 99% of the bugs reported for my firmware version don't occur on any phone I've handled. Basically peeps get their phone then fcuk with it, stuff it up drop it kick it abuse it.
They connect it to crappy computer's with rooted bluetooth adapter installation (then blame the phones bluetooth), bitch that bluetooth can't connect two devices and call it a bug, but haven't read the manual that says bluetooth power save limits bt connections to one at a time (just turn of power save and it works), use crappy el cheapo memory cards that corrupt at the drop of a hat then blame the phone, take no care when inserting and removing the card, pull their usb cable out without using the "disconnect hardware safely" option then complain there must be a bug because they can't see the phones memory after removing the phone from usb (or they just complain that the phone is buggy because they can't see phones memory while connected to usb even though that's normal), bitch about how crap the picture quality is for thread after thread when in fact every single side by side analysis I've done reveals no difference in still camera quality from one firmware version to another other than night mode and even then the difference is not that big and the camera is still an excellent camera even given that little flaw. They complain about squeaks in the case (that I can only get if I squeeze the case with way more force than would be considered healthy for such a small device as a phone), lock ups that occur when they tried to play a java game while on a phone call while connected to five different bluetooth devices all at once and then wonder why the phone crashed. It goes on and on...
Mate the list of "flaws" claimed to be bugs that are just disgruntled users who have no idea what they are doing and just like to bitch far outweigh any legitimate claims of bugs in these units.
The K700 and K750 are sterling phones and no more or less bug free than any other manufacturer so how come only SE users are guinea pigs? All new phone buyers are freakin' guinea pigs in this industry. SE are no better or worse than any.
And what about WM5? You seriously think a microsoft os is going to be shipped bug free? I expect UIQ3 and P990 will turn out to be way less buggy than WM5 devices.
You reveal your own myopism by continually making negative claims about SE that don't have any factual basis. You try and "prove it" with weird claims about guinea pigs. I don't feel like a guinea pig.
Neither do my sister or brother-in-law who have come from XDA's to K750 and are just relieved that they finally have a hassle free handset that works as designed.
PS. my reactions to being called a guinea pig aside
, it will be interesting to see what happens with P990, but I think it is actually going to be very competitive against wm5 devices, but still more as a business pda, not as a smartphone platform for peeps who like to play with software and have huge range of cheap software to choose from. Both s60 and wm5 are king here, I have no argument with that. However P990 will have enough business apps available to appeal to the business market and be competitive against wm5 units. It does after all synch with office apps and I think that's enough for the business market need generally (given other UIQ3 apps over time).
[ This Message was edited by: max_wedge on 2005-10-18 01:58 ]
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Posted: 2005-10-18 02:40:57
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I love nokia and se :-)
This message was posted from a Nokia
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Posted: 2005-10-18 02:57:42
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I'm actually considering buying a Nokia cdma phone for when I'm in the country (sorry SE but you don't have a cdma phone...)
The Nokia 6225 has vga cam, fm radio, colour screen but other than that it's pretty basic. CDMA phones don't have the same jazz as gsm or umts handsets....
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Posted: 2005-10-18 03:16:51
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max_wedge:
Quote:... so how come only SE users are guinea pigs? All new phone buyers are freakin' guinea pigs in this industry. SE are no better or worse than any.
I agree with you partially here. All first batch phone buyers are guinea pig in a sense. It is just level severity of it (i.e. how many times you have to update firmware before the phone is stable enough)
New OS (in P990 case - UIQ3) in a general trend would have more problems than than say Series60 which have gone thru several iterations. Are u trying to say the new UIQ3 would be as stable as the current Series60. Like you say, I quote "SE are no better or worse than any".
Quote: I expect UIQ3 and P990 will turn out to be way less buggy than WM5 devices.
You wanna bet?
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Posted: 2005-10-19 07:09:21
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WM5 is from microsoft
symbian is free source like linux
microsoft have whole lots of experts from windows to windows mobile...I wont be surprized to know that WM5 doing better than symbian....
Symbian provide flexibility just like linux in pc...
User and programmers are welcome try out everything without a single charged fees....
WM5 talks about license.....
Thats my comment... no hass feelings
But i still like P990i + symbian 9.1 uiq3.0
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Posted: 2005-10-19 07:38:57
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On 2005-10-19 07:09:21, mib1800 wrote:
max_wedge:
Quote:... so how come only SE users are guinea pigs? All new phone buyers are freakin' guinea pigs in this industry. SE are no better or worse than any.
I agree with you partially here. All first batch phone buyers are guinea pig in a sense. It is just level severity of it (i.e. how many times you have to update firmware before the phone is stable enough)
New OS (in P990 case - UIQ3) in a general trend would have more problems than than say Series60 which have gone thru several iterations. Are u trying to say the new UIQ3 would be as stable as the current Series60. Like you say, I quote "SE are no better or worse than any".
Quote: I expect UIQ3 and P990 will turn out to be way less buggy than WM5 devices.
You wanna bet?
yeah I was a bit hasty there, but I don't think it will be any worse than WM5. The way you make it sound P990 will be a dog's breakfast, but I don't think that will be the case. You used the example of K700 and K750 and it makes me laugh, because those phones are nowhere near as buggy as you perceive. I expect the P990 will have more bugs than the K700/750 . I also expect the worse will be dealt with promptly through firmware updates.
Basically bugs are a fact of life with phones and I don't see why it should be brought up as anything unique to the P990 (other than your low opinion of SE engineering, which I don't share). Of course the thing will have bugs.
I am actually very impressed with the P990, but I still see it as an intermediate step. When the new UIQ3 hardscreen comes out, we will likely see a departure from the P series with a touchscreen smartphone release very different (and smaller) from the current P series. That is when I will step into smartphone territory (for a carry around phone - I already own an XDAii but don't use it as a phone).
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Posted: 2005-10-19 11:00:19
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