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No problems for me using a CDS-60, which is consistent with what numb says about loose conections I guess.
Overall I'm impressed with the new firmware, it seems to be what the K750i should have been to begin with, although I can't say I've thouroughly tested it as of yet.
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Posted: 2005-12-15 16:41:29
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numb... come on... what's with all these guys claiming they get transmission error, from PHONE TO PC, just after updated to the new firmware...? out of the blue, suddenly, they will all begin to complain that they are loosing connections?
I didn't compare it to the first bug; neither I said it was the same. On the other hand, yes, it'd bother me just as equal as the R1N035 bug.
On the time I had the w800 (4, 5 months), I never had a connection lost while in R1L002, then in R1N035 most of the time, now that I'm on R1L002 I'm safe again... it's pretty hard for the pins not to make contact; the fast port 'locks' itself in the port; you'd have to pull it hard to let it make false contact. And besides... the phone is staying in your desktop, connected, you don't even look at it... and in the middle of the transfer, the connection is lost. Will you say it's from "poor" connecting; that the phone unplugged itself? Come on mate! Maybe you didn't get the issue, as with the MS bug in R1N, but then you're just lucky, cause many guys who updated are suffering from it.
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Posted: 2005-12-15 17:52:59
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#Dan_Aykroyd
I agree with you because the symptoms for loose pins is different that what me and others are experiencing. For loose connection (which i tried to nudge the cable to produce this effect) the green arrow at the bottom right hand corner of the screen (usb removable icon) will disappear and your Removable drive (W800i MS disk) will be gone. You can also hear the USB sound that indicates the USB device is disconnected.
For what we are experiencing now, the files just stop in the middle of the transfer with error message saying: "parameter is incorrect". The green arrow at the bottom right hand corner of the screen is STILL HERE. The Removable drive (W800i MS disk) is STILL HERE and there is NO USB disconnection sound. All the files in the Removable drive is GONE.
These differences convinced me that it is still the bug with the latest firmware because I've tried no error message saying: "parameter is incorect" with the R1L firmware.
I agree that some people are lucky that they couldn't encounter this problem, but it doesn't mean that it is working for all of us here. I would like to downgrade back to R1L. If anyone can give me simple instructions on how to do it. I'd appriciate very much. Thanks in advance!
btw, I'm using the Hong Kong version of the W800i. Please tell me what CDAs and Language files to use~
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:08:43
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I'm still on old firmware r1L, and if i move the phone when connected I'll sometimes get the windows disconnect warning. That can only be down to hardware.
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:10:00
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On 2005-12-15 18:10:00, ijefferies wrote:
I'm still on old firmware r1L, and if i move the phone when connected I'll sometimes get the windows disconnect warning. That can only be down to hardware.
Yes, you will get windows disconnect warning if you ave loose pins / cables. This is a hardware problem. What I wanted to say In my post above is that the symptoms I'm experiencing is NOT the same with a loose pins / cables.
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:17:31
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I was lucky never to suffer from the ms duo corruption bug, but like Ive described I have had the loss of connection error many times on all firmwares right from the first one. And everytime I can invoke or fix the error manually by moving the connector in its socket.
Hold the phone in one hand, attach the cable with the other hand and move it up and down a few times in its socket, and you can make it turn on and off at will. open my computer and see how the removable drive appears and disappear. This is because one or some of the litle pins nolonger reach the contact points thus loss of connection.
I have it connected now lying flat on the table, and simply by lifting the phone whereby the weight of the cable pushes down the connector very litle in its socket and it immediately lose connection and the removable drive disappears. Since my K750 was one of the first, and the cable has been attached detached many times, its getting a litle worn.
No point in arguing about it though, you are perfectly free to call it a firmwarebug, Ill just keep calling it a mechanical bug myself.
Peace
PS: just saw a few post being posted while I wrote this
Yes - "parameter wrong" (which I havent heard mentioned before) is an entirely different error than "communication error" caused by loose pins, Ive only heard of the "communication error"
Though even with the loose pins error you can sometimes experience that you can still see the removable device just not see anything on it, this is simply because the connection is initially lost, but windows hasnt yet managed to remove the icon, sometimes because the connection is regained an instant afterwards when pins again touches the contacts, if so waiting a few seconds for windows to settle and you should be able to see the content of the removable device again. Other times just wait a few seconds longer till windows settles and the removable device will dissapear.
If you get a "parameter wrong" error then its different, but at this point I dont have any sure guesses on what, could be a firmware error, could be something else. "Parameter wrong" errors are usually caused by windows hardwaredrivers. Perhaps reinstalling the drivers might help if your windows didnt reinstall them automatically when you attached it the first time after the firmwareupdate . Windows reinstalled my k750 drivers automatically the first time I attached the phone after performing the firmwareupdate. This is normal since the K750 hardwareid in windows can change when firmware is changed. Just like If you attach a different K750 than your own it will also reinstall the drivers.
[ This Message was edited by: numb on 2005-12-15 17:46 ]
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:18:38
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#numb
Thanks for your quick reply. Right now, I'm actually copying large amounts of data (mp3s) to my W800i and it works ok after 30 minutes of transfer. The error: "parameter is incorrect" can be reproduced everytime when I transfer around 100-200mb of data from MS back to PC. Strange problem! I hope they can release another fix for it soon.
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:48:23
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Ill try doing the same and see if I can reproduce the error.
Did you try reinstalling the drivers ??
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Posted: 2005-12-15 18:56:05
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#numb
Yes, re-installed the drivers and compared the version number with the latest available usb drivers online. It is the same. I'm going to try formatting my 1 Gig San Disk MS on the phone and see if it works any better. I'll let u know of my findings also. Thanks!
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Posted: 2005-12-16 03:05:56
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On 2005-12-15 06:51:42, numb wrote:
No, that is not a file transfer or firmware bug
That is standard windows behaviour and It is exactly what it appears to be and what windows says it is, a loss in connection, due to the usb connector being very slightly lose thus the small pins lose connection.
Move the usb connector a litle in its socket, or pull it out and press it in again, and it connects again.
When having the usb cable connected place the phone and cable in such a way that the cable is supported, and there is no strain on the cable pulling it out/up/down.
For instance, Placing the phone near the edge of the table with the cable hanging over the edge from the phone, can make it lose connection. Make sure the the connector is plugged firmly into the socket, and that part of the cable is placed on the table together with the phone.
This is also very important when doing firmwareupgrades to prevent "communication errors" when upgrading.
[ This Message was edited by: numb on 2005-12-15 06:25 ]
Just to detail the transfer error I got (only happened once to me, for the record) while transferring about 20+ jpgs from MS of the phone to PC thru USB:
I didn't get a "communication error". I know of this issue you're talking about (cable gets loose connection to the phone, and the "Safely Remove Hardware" icon on taskbar disappear, or sometimes I get a "Device not recognized" icon on taskbar), but the error I got during this file transfer is a something like a "file not found" error while copying. Then when I try to check the MSpduo drive it's still there in Windows Explorer, but when I try to access it it displays nothing, as if the drive is totally empty. The "Safely Remove Hardware" icon is still in the taskbar. (That actually scared me because I thought my MS got corrupted and had all my files lost.)
I'm not saying though that I'm sure that this is already a firmware bug; just sharing my experience with this transfer error I got. I'm almost certainly sure that it happened not because of a loose cable connection (because I learned my lesson to firmly connect the cable to the phone and never touch it and place it in a way as to not strain the cable or anything).
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Posted: 2005-12-16 05:40:53
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