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On 2006-03-17 02:41:07, axxxr wrote:
I absolutely agree,I think it was better at the height of the cold with the then U.S.S.R at least that kept the americans at bay and not have them throw their weight around as they do now...
I believe it was Cicero who wrote "Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to always be a child". The point is well made, to repeat the madness of the Cold War would simply be dooming humanity to another period of uncertainty and possible nuclear war on a scale that could destroy mankind.
What if the wrong side won such a cold war? What if the U.S.S.R had won the Cold War? Far from bemoaning American oppression, you would likely be denied a voice to condemn the communist world order that had replaced the democratic governments of the West. The old saying to be careful for what you wish for would seem quite pertinent here.
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But i believe China is emerging at the next super power so that should give them something to think about.
China still has a way to go before it becomes a global superpower. I think what we are more likely to see in the short term is the emergence of economic superpowers, which has already partly manifested in the shape of the EU.
In practical terms there is no country on Earth that can compete with the U.S. in terms of military power, they either don't have the finances or the technology or in most cases, both.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-03-17 02:14 ]
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:12:48
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Completley argree, however China has the potential for something major to happen in the next 100 years or so... I can't comment much on it as I only know a little background info on it, but i'm pretty sure it's possible.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:15:47
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I reckon this thread is gonna get Big.
We just need to wait for the Americans to join it.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:17:08
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Not just the americans!
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:18:00
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On 2006-03-17 03:12:48, scotsboyuk wrote:
I believe it was Cicero who wrote \"Not to know what has been transacted in former times is to always be a child\". The point is well made, to repeat the madness of the Cold War would simply be dooming humanity to another period of uncertainty and possible nuclear war on a scale that could destroy mankind.
What if the wrong side won such a cold war? What if the U.S.S.R had won the Cold War? Far from bemoaning American oppression, you would likely be denied a voice to condemn the communist world order that had replaced the democratic governments of the West. The old saying to be careful for what you wish for would seem quite pertinent here.
Ah scotsboyuk what took you so long?i knew you would show up!
I don't really care,I still think it was better during the cold war both sides although were always on the brink of war,kind of ironic that it kept both from fighting a actual war and thus keeping the peace..In case you had'nt noticed we are living in much more dangerous times now with america let loose,nothing worse than a rabid dog let loose trust me!
Your history lessons are getting a little boring now!
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On 2006-03-17 03:12:48, scotsboyuk wrote:
China still has a way to go before it becomes a global superpower. I think what we are more likely to see in the short term is the emergence of economic superpowers, which has already partly manifested in the shape of the EU.
In practical terms there is no country on Earth that can compete with the U.S. in terms of military power, they either don't have the finances or the technology or in most cases, both.
Indeed it has but china is on the right track,and maybe in 20 or 50 years from now i believe china will be a force to reckon with.
Maybe no one can compete with the U.S in terms of military power their is no question about that.But thats not the debate here and is rather off topic,I believe the the topic was The U.S selling dodgy jets to us.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:27:23
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On 2006-03-17 03:15:47, kk.226 wrote:
Completley argree, however China has the potential for something major to happen in the next 100 years or so... I can't comment much on it as I only know a little background info on it, but i'm pretty sure it's possible.
China certainly has the potential to become a superpower, but I think that will be more of a long term process.
There is a discussion of China's superpower potential in this
Wiki article.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:30:15
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everything of such a grand scale is a long term process. (I dont think it's going to take 100 years though)
Good thing Qatar has tight relations with China.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:41:19
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On 2006-03-17 03:27:23, axxxr wrote:
Ah scotsboyuk what took you so long?i knew you would show up!
I don't really care,I still think it was better during the cold war both sides although were always on the brink of war,kind of ironic that it kept both from fighting a actual war and thus keeping the peace..In case you had'nt noticed we are living in much more dangerous times now with america let loose,nothing worse than a rabid dog let loose trust me!
The Cold War bred such conflicts as the Korean War, Vietnam, Afghanistan, etc in addition to which there was the ever present danger of global nuclear war. The Cold War only kept the superpowers from fighting a war, they used everyone else as proxies in their game of global chess.
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Your history lessons are getting a little boring now!
The 'child' part of that quote I cited seems most apt here.
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Indeed it has but china is on the right track,and maybe in 20 or 50 years from now i believe china will be a force to reckon with.
I think it already is a force to be reckoned with, they are arguably already a 'regional superpower'. I think we shall probably see a more multi-polar world in the future as the world becomes more integrated and different 'emerging superpowers' come to the fore.
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Maybe no one can compete with the U.S in terms of military power their is no question about that.But thats not the debate here and is rather off topic,I believe the the topic was The U.S selling dodgy jets to us.
You don't appear to like this line of discussion.
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[ This Message was edited by: scotsboyuk on 2006-09-26 04:04 ]
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:44:43
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On 2006-03-17 03:41:19, amnesia wrote:
everything of such a grand scale is a long term process. (I dont think it's going to take 100 years though)
Good thing Qatar has tight relations with China.
I'd tend to agree, I think China has the potential to become a supower within a century. A big factor in all of this is what happens politically within China itself.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:49:18
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Boring is quite subjective Axxxr, but thats neither here nor there.
To the topic at hand I have to say that the replies seem just a little over reactionary. Does anyone presume for a moment that the manufacturers might NOT have crippled the jets in any way?
Seems this is almost like FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) over a non issue.
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Posted: 2006-03-17 03:51:21
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