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On 2006-04-17 15:44:16, Luke-the-magic-man wrote:
yeh so true there sammy. Also as a example when solid was selling them 2 laptops, he took one really really shite picture of a screen of the laptop, nothing else so you couldnt see the laptop, or what was on screen, or even make out the brand I was so disapointed in the lad lol. Another thing that annoys me with it is stock photos or when you copy other peoples pics or descriptions...
good example, they didnt sell on ebay with that pic, i relisted with better pics and they sold and i made a hefty profit
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Posted: 2006-04-18 02:32:14
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Just thought I'd resurrect this for some obvious reasons.
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Posted: 2007-04-25 02:58:23
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The worst thing is the people who complain who does this themselves
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Posted: 2007-04-25 03:59:47
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i believe that some sellers insist that their descriptions is a fair fit of the object, and that the buyer is being too 'obsessive' and unreasonable. however, what qualifies as a 'slight' fault or scratch, might be a major thing to others. second hand object condition assessments are often subjective at most, and at times it really is not the seller's description is downplaying the fault, the customer might be exaggerating and also vice-versa.
how about a set standard for description then? we could have an esato moderator rate the items for sale, by having the seller send HIGH QUALITY photos of the item to the moderator before the mod give a rating and list the product? it might be a hassle and time-consuming, but we could give the mod a commision for his troubles? also this way guarantees customer satisfaction and is a good addition to the existing seller/buyer rating system? make esato a good marketplace!
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Posted: 2007-04-25 07:47:13
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I agree.
It would be nice to have a rating scale with a description set by esato.
What annoys me however is when someone says
"Mint Condition. Only a scratch on the back".
Mint means perfect in every way.
As New means it is as it would be if you had just bought it and taken it out the box.
Great condition means that there is no damage at all to the phone but it may be a bit obvious that it's been tried out.
Very Good condition means there is some damage. Surface scratches, light marks, and used accessories.
Good condition means there is damage. Scratches, Scrapes, possibly hairline cracks, and used accessories.
Anything else like missing accessories and so on should be mentioned.
Do people agree with me?
(Side note: I've not had any problems however I just notice these things in threads; although I stay quiet)
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Posted: 2007-04-25 22:21:27
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agreed. mint does mean sealed, untouched or whatever. however the term is being used quite loosely, and rather misleadingly nowadays. a proper set of standards would be good.
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Posted: 2007-04-28 01:45:05
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Hi all,
I agree in principal with all that has been said but not all the definitions, when i sell i phone i take at least 3 or 4 pictures from all angles and clear shots. When i say mint that is really what it means no marks or scratches.
Just ask Merc Man as he bought my N70 World Cup and 8800 Special Edition, I have just sold my treasured N93 and that is also is mint, but has a very slight hardly noticeable rub mark on the flip from being put in Laptop mode it wasn't possible to get it show up i the pictures. The phone is still mint and there is not a scratch or dent on the case it is a rubbing mark and as i have pointed it out and brought peoples attention to it, what is wrong with my description. When i delivered the phone i had to point it out carefully for it to be noticed at all.
But in principle i do agree a lot of posts seem to say mint or brand new and then mention a scratch on the screen but you can't see it when it's on etc etc. I think as long as there are good pictures that focus on the damage or marks if any with a honest description is fine. Obviously starting something is mint or as new and then mentioning 2/3 faults is never going attract much interest. Much in the same way as very low offers or mysterious high bids by Pm's that never seem to materialise, personally i think all bids should be made in the thread but that's just MO.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-04-28 03:03 ]
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Posted: 2007-04-28 03:59:49
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@ dogmann
i think that the definition for mint is basically perfect, sealed, out of factory condition. i agree that your product description is perfectly honest and brings the correct idea for the buyer, but for some their idea of mint is rather more scrupolous as described above. nothing wrong with your description, but wouldn't a description other than mint suit the purpose for everyone?
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Posted: 2007-04-28 06:25:55
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On 2007-04-28 06:25:55, bodum wrote:
@ dogmann
i think that the definition for mint is basically perfect, sealed, out of factory condition. i agree that your product description is perfectly honest and brings the correct idea for the buyer, but for some their idea of mint is rather more scrupolous as described above. nothing wrong with your description, but wouldn't a description other than mint suit the purpose for everyone?
yeah... among collectors of records, books etc "mint" does mean "as new"... then you get mint "-" (minus), mint -- etc up to "crap, f*ck off with your scissor sisters bootleg"... Seriously, mint means "mint" Though I'm sure Dogmann's "mint" is still better than some "as new, still boxed and blessed by john paul II"... if you know what I mean!!!
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Posted: 2007-04-28 10:18:57
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