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@MASSEUR
I actually disagree with you in this point. To me, WLAN and Car are not the same things to give the proper example.
To me, Unprotected WLAN is kinda like a very sexy undressed girl
. If she roams around you, you may have a look and you definitely won't ask for permission
BUT u should not try something more (like stealing the AP of WLAN
)
But I'm definitely not encouraging the topic here....but u know...why don't have a look
?
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Posted: 2007-04-18 20:34:32
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On 2007-04-18 19:01:44, ronis wrote:
What a crap!
If you don't want anyone to connect to your WLAN, make it secured one and/or restrict MAC addresses able to connect.
If you haven't done that, then don't complain when someone connects to your WiFi.
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-18 18:02 ]
So I take it from you response you condone theft?
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Posted: 2007-04-18 21:42:47
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On 2007-04-18 20:07:22, awave wrote:
On 2007-04-18 19:30:40, suland wrote:
I wonder how they(police) proved that the guy used "someone's" WI-FI. What a crap!!! If you don't want this happened to your WI-FI - secure it.
Yup, what i'd say. If you leave it unsecured I'd say that that was enough as giving someone permission to use the internet access through that AP. edit: just read the news thing. actually hacking someone's network / sitting outside someones house etc etc - that's just plain wrong. If it happens to be there when your trying to do something that just needs the 'net access for something small etc then I don't really see why people should complain.
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[ This Message was edited by: awave on 2007-04-18 19:09 ]
So if I leave my car unattended I am giving creeps the right to take it away?
it is the same thing, sorry but your argument is flawed
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Posted: 2007-04-18 21:46:07
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On 2007-04-18 20:24:04, BobaFett wrote:
i dont wanna live ain a police state, where even using someone else's wifi is a crime. ppl should lock it, if i am in places, i usually serach for free connections. its not my "bad behaviour", more their stupidity not to lock it
Many people buy a solution in a box (its sold as being so simple a kid can set it up), they may not be technical enough to set up password protection they may not even understand the consequenses of poor network security that does not give the hacker cart blanche to log on, its got nothing to do with police states and everything to do with HW suppliers providing equipment that provides users with automatic protection as the default settings. You simply cannot adopt the "moral high ground" by saying people are stupid they are not, they might just not be as savvy as some of us! using your argument I ave the right to steal anyones car who is not smart enough to install security features over and above that fitted by the factory
stop being silly and see the problem for what it is.
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Posted: 2007-04-18 21:55:16
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I think that the manufacturers should supply a directional antenna with every wifi sold that sits in the front window in your house pointing outside so that there is a signal everywhere, obviously that should make is so your PC is not accessible
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Posted: 2007-04-18 23:01:53
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@nitro fan to steal a car or use somebodys wifi arent in the same level imo. i do agree with u, that not every of us is that developed in technical questions as we, so a wifi should be locked normally, but then the sellers should clear up the buyers about possibly "stealing" their net.
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Posted: 2007-04-18 23:24:03
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Hi all,
Well i hate to say it but at least this is one thing that BT broadband have actually got right. There Routers come preconfigured with security already switched on and very simple instructions on setup that include having to enter the WEP key or simply no access.
The real problem arises not from some one harmlessly browsing the Web or downloading some E-mails but when they do something like downloading kiddie porn or other such illegal activity and the poor person whose connection it is and doesn't know or realise what they need to do finds themselves in big trouble.
Marc
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Posted: 2007-04-19 00:35:05
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On 2007-04-18 21:42:47, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2007-04-18 19:01:44, ronis wrote:
What a crap!
If you don't want anyone to connect to your WLAN, make it secured one and/or restrict MAC addresses able to connect.
If you haven't done that, then don't complain when someone connects to your WiFi.
[ This Message was edited by: ronis on 2007-04-18 18:02 ]
So I take it from you response you condone theft?
You must be joking!
Do you consider reading a newspaper over someone's shoulder in a bus being a crime?
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Posted: 2007-04-19 09:40:21
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he he, I think we need something like that in Egypt (where WI-FI theft is very damn common)
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Posted: 2007-04-19 09:57:34
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actually, it's not just accessing someone's wifi when it's unsecured. This to me while morally worng, is also partly the responsibility of the owner to secure, much like police don't have much sympathy for people who don't lock their cars or houses. The perp is "wrong", but it's also considered the owner of the unsecured equipment is asking for trouble.
But what to me is a much worse crime, is if the wireless network is secured yet the perp uses hacking methods to bypass the security. The fact is, wifi hacking tools are widely available on the internet and you don't need to know anything about hacking to use them. You just point and shoot with your wireless card and wait for the hacking tool to brute force the password. WEP security takes no time at all, WPA is a bit more secure, but anything is hackable.
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Posted: 2007-04-19 10:39:33
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