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im with pmerryman totally on this one... it is the do-gooders who have ruined it all now and kids CAN get away with murder.... uunless of course you still practice the 'heavy handed' approach... which personally i would... theres a difference between hurting your child and trying to tell them the difference between right and wrong.... however i have to say there is far more to this and not only the 'do-gooders' who ruin it, but also the people who just simply cannot control they own angry and aggression (the parents i mean here)...
Its a tough one, but maybe the aid of the internet and more freely avalible sources for them to find out about this kind of thing hasnt helped also..
I still remmebr the first time i got legless - was at my sister engagemnt party and i drank like 8 cans of white lightening - needless to say, that was enough to put me off for a while
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Posted: 2007-08-15 15:36:56
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The fact is everyone except about 10/20% of 14-17y/o's will be drinking regulary. Its as simple as getting your brother or sister just to go in the shop for you.
The Shopkeepers aren't bothered
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Posted: 2007-08-15 15:45:16
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Its all very well saying kids need discipline but I think there will always be parents who just don't care what their kids get up to.
Should the parents be fined or even jailed?
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[ This Message was edited by: goldenface on 2007-08-15 15:21 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-15 16:16:52
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its a otough one goldenface because how can you PROVE whos at fault - there are some kids out there - who will juts not listen.....
to simply fine or even jail the parents would be harsh - i mean imagine if you got jailed because youre son or daughter did something horrible (ie, got drunk and seriously hurt someone).... you cant watch the kids 24/7 and shouldnt have too 0- but kids will be kids and they will want what they cant have....
i see where youre coming from, just find it hard to understand how one would control/govern such actions...
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Posted: 2007-08-15 16:32:59
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You will always get the families who dont care about what the kids get up to or where they are, and yes these type of people should be fined.
When I am driving home from work, through a not too desirable area, you can see kids as young as 5 or 6 wandering around the streets on their own. Now that is out of order, and these parents shouldn't even be allowed to have kids. Now who knows what these kids are getting up to whilst out on their own.
When I was a youngster, you knew that if you were ever taken home by the Police, you would get a crack off your Dad, and that was enought to put you off. Also, you would have probably got a crack off the Policeman as well.
What happens these days, they stand there telling the Police to F*ck Off, because the Police's hands are tied.
If my Daughter is Naughty, she knows she will get a crack off me, and that is usually enough. Dont get me wrong, she wont be walking around with bruises on here body, but a slap around the arse or legs usually sufices.
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Posted: 2007-08-15 16:37:51
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i agree.... maybe a way of finding out how well children are looked after should be explored... you are right though, something needs to be done somewhere....
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Posted: 2007-08-15 16:41:02
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i got a whack as kid, never enough for a bruise, but enough to know not to do it again, but only if i had to be told a few times! (as we all know some kids wont listen, and action speaks louder than words)
if this has been missed out a generation, then these kids when grown up wont have the same implementation of disipline either, and this is what we are beginning to see!
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Posted: 2007-08-15 17:02:59
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Thats probably right batesie.
I got whacked when I was growing up and just I can't believe what some kids get away with these days. I hated getting into trouble but admittedly I never used to go boozing until I was 17-18.
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Posted: 2007-08-15 17:06:54
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*sigh* if you see a kid playing up in a shopping centre and there mum says stop more than 3 times and they still ignore her i'll say "dont be worried about smacking them! looks like he/she needs a smack!"
EDIT: saying that i wouldnt say that to other people, as its not my child so none of my buisness., but i do 'think' it sometimes!
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[ This Message was edited by: batesie on 2007-08-15 16:25 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-15 17:15:46
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I got a clip round the ear hole as a kid if naughty and if I was playing up all my parents had to do was threaten me with a smack (usually in the super market with “I’ll pull down your pants and smack your bottom in front of everyone”) and I would stop playing up. Did me no harm!
Kids today don’t care for threats of smacking because most know there get away with it and/or parents are a bit scared of getting into trouble for it I guess.
What we need in this country is some sort of national service to straighten them out and give them respect for themselves and others.
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Posted: 2007-08-15 17:49:39
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