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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-21 09:03 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-21 10:03:14
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Well I am going to be using my P990 for a long time to come regardless of how disappointed I am about the value drop. I have never really another problem with it other than the early release of the P1.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 10:08:16
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The P1 is 100% P series. The resemblance to the M600 is completely superficial - underneath it's a premium smartphone which equals or betters the P990 in every department, something the M600 and the M series in general was never intended to do.
They got rid of the flip because UIQ3 doesn't need a flip, or a flip-closed mode - in the M600/P1 form factor it's already perfectly suited to one handed use, and with the reorientated shorter, wider screen there's not so much to cover, as we've already seen with the P990. This is the biggest single difference between UIQ2 and UIQ3, and is the reason the latter has broken out of the generally accepted P series mould set by the P800, P900, P910, and is also found in candy-bar phones like the M600, Moto RIZR Z8, W950, W960, and now the P1. The old style flip may not be dead, I'm sure it will reappear in future P series models, as will other designs - but it's not necessary to UIQ anymore, and that means it's not necessary for P series smartphones either. Future P series models can be flagship, high-technology UIQ phones without having to ape the same form factor cooked up for the P800 in 2002.
Pictures of a genuine M610 have already been spotted gaining FCC approval - this is a genuine successor to the M600, adding WiFi but leaving out the unbusinesslike camera, staying true to the low-cost, corporate, messaging-oriented ethos of the M series. The P1, meanwhile, is as SE say "the fifth generation P series" - it may have come to the market quickly, but then with the P990 widely regarded as a failure, I'm sure for SE it couldn't come quickly enough.
[ This Message was edited by: Boinng on 2007-08-21 09:40 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-21 10:34:05
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i could not have said it better, but he is absolutely right, you just cannot compare them, just hold the m600i in one hand and the p1i in another.
build quality, quality of the parts,...everything is better on the p1i, it beats even the p990 completely. next to my p910i its the best phone i ever had.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 10:41:05
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Just another voice in the storm but you guys who big-up the flip, I wouldn't have bought the P1i if it had a flip, I find them cumbersome and ugly - not to mention fragile.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 12:06:14
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I was always a P series Flip On user and find the interface and qwerty of the P1 to be a perfect replacement for it...
One thing I do still miss is the 5-Way Jog Dial... That allowed true one handed operation as everything was controlled from there... Its still possible now, but requires you to manipulate the phones position in your hand so you can press the screen with your thumb and then go back to using the Jog Dial with your finger...
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Posted: 2007-08-21 12:34:58
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On 2007-08-21 12:06:14, sunking101 wrote:
Just another voice in the storm but you guys who big-up the flip, I wouldn't have bought the P1i if it had a flip, I find them cumbersome and ugly - not to mention fragile.
I wonder if u have ever used one with a flip.
Any statement depending on personal taste (ugly, big, etc.) is acceptable, but fragility is definitely not.
The flip is rock solid.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 13:21:17
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As aways this is always down to personal preferences of the individual when i had my P910 which i loved and was an excellent device as soon as i got it i removed the flip and it was never used as that was my preference. But i can still appreciate that for others the flip was as essential as the touch screen and i also agree that the 5 way jog dial was brilliant and like a lot of you missed it and was very disappointed with the new jog dial as found on the new device's as IMO it reduced the ease of use and functionality.
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-08-21 12:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-08-21 13:30:31
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I'd agree the 5-way jog dial is sadly missed, and I'm puzzled that they took it away - there are various ways in which navigation in UIQ3 could be improved by that extra dimension, just as it was in UIQ2.
As for the flip; I honestly believe it was required in UIQ2 - if you wanted to use the P800 as a practical phone, without getting the stylus out, the flip was massively useful. It also served to protect that long, narrow screen which (P990 fans please remember) ran almost the full length of the unit. I realise that some did without it, and that's fine, but using fullscreen UIQ2 for everyday phone functions was still fiddly. That is why the P800 had a flip, and why the P900 had a flip, and the P910.
In UIQ3, things are different. The screen dimensions are much more conventional, it's quite easy to put any kind of keyboard you like underneath it, and the interface itself in fullscreen mode is much more finger friendly. In the P990 they partially scotched that by putting the soft buttons at the top of the screen, so they're nowhere near your fingers, but on the M600, W950, P1 etc they're where they should be - right where soft buttons always are - and with a decent keypad below the whole thing is perfectly phone-like and fine for one-handed use. So the two reasons which gave birth to the flip - that long vulnerable screen that left no space for a keypad, and that purely stylus driven fullscreen UIQ2 interface - are both gone. In the P990 the designers seemed to ignore that and press ahead with a traditional P series design anyway, almost for the sake of it, but it seems to me the added complexity of flip-closed mode created more problems than it solved. UIQ3 has moved beyond that form factor, which is why SE were able to release three different UIQ based phones in a single year when there had only ever been one in the range previously, and why the P990 is already being left behind less than a year later.
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Posted: 2007-08-21 13:53:29
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I think re-introducing the 5 Way Jog Dial would sort out some of the UI inconsistencies and also make one handed operation just that bit easier... Maybe a thought for the P2?
I think it was dropped due to failures which resulted in Warranty work being carried out...
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Posted: 2007-08-21 14:38:19
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