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Hi all

I don't think the fact the P1 has only WiFi b is what makes it out dated although it does, it is more like the fact it still has the same hardware with an extra 64mb Ram as when the P990 was announced never mind released and how long ago was that exactly now? which certainly means it doesn't have an up to date spec compared to what is being used by other manufacturers.

The WiFi b whilst not really affecting speed certainly seems to cause many of this forum connection and compatibility issues with various routers and Hot spots. The lack of HSDPA in a device launched late 2007 and mentioned in almost all the reviews as a negative certainly makes it out dated.

The Video recording is very outdated by any ones criteria and certainly not up to date or cutting edge compared to what other devices offer.

Again i am not saying the P1 is bad device but to claim it is leading edge technology inside it is just not supported by the facts. It is a improvement on the first UIQ3 devices but in no way can be considered a major advancement. The extra shortcuts and extra Ram are obviously an improvement but are more of a necessity than a luxury. But these are the only improvements made in how long now?

SE really need to make major improvements on their new devices to be up to date and hope fully they will soon, as they have proved they can do it with the K850 just not their flagship smart phones which seems very strange to put it mildly IMO.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-11 12:29 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-11 13:29:15
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I agree that the p1i doesn't represent cutting edge technology - but it is really quite cheep and the form factor is fantastic.

Feel abit stupid for supporting a phone that i don't have yet (damn dhl) but i'm just happy that i'm getting an update for my m600 which i think is amazing.

just out of curiosity - what mobile do you use Marc?
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Posted: 2007-09-11 14:05:35
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Marc has gone back to his E61 as I recall

Its clear that P1i is not all latest technology (I've got my TyTN II for that!) so we don't need to keep repeating that, but it does the job it was created for and IMHO it does it well, and you just can't beat that keyboard for speedy typing! I use wifi occassionally so 11b is fine and most of my internet connectivity is browing sites designed for PDA's.

as a side comment, I'm using high speed data alot more on the TyTN II now as the GPS is fantastic and I use google maps or live search maps with aerial view alot which consumes vast amounts of data. If P1 had a GPS built in I would probably be complaining about lack of HSDPA for that reason.

anyway, hope you get your P1 soon!
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Posted: 2007-09-11 14:13:18
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I have had both phones and I assure you the N95 is a second rate challenger, they fall to bits in your hand,and the 5mp camera is over hyped and once you have used a touch screen you will never accept old age technology!
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Posted: 2007-09-11 14:35:43
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@Dogmann- that sums it up perfectly! I'm still using my p910i like the original poster. Mine's almost three years old and is still going strong. Great phone that! I don't think my p910i needs to be replaced by the p1 but by something better, better processor, video recorder, internet connectivity, also how about better screen resolution? It's also time for 16m colour screen on SE phones.

[ This Message was edited by: EMS06 on 2007-09-11 13:41 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-11 14:36:00
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Hi all,

Well i gave up my quest for the latest and greatest devices and as Masseur has said returned to my beloved E61. i sold both my N95 easily one of the best and most advanced Multimedia smart phones currently available and sorry Nitro Fan but you are just talking rubbish.

If the N95 was half as bad as half you seem to think how could it possibly of sold over 1.5 million units and continues to sell so well. Now i am not saying they are all perfect or that none of them have problems as lets face no device is perfect. But some of the suggestions made by some here are just laughable, if it's not the right device for you or you don't like it fine no one says you have to like but please give up this never ending bashing as clearly that is not the majority of peoples experiences are how ever much you want it to be.

I also sold my E90 as personally i was not happy with the fact that as a E Series device Nokia only gave it a an E series player not the one as found in the N series which to me meant it was not the ultimate convergence device i am still seeking. Plus as it was a UAE sourced unit came with no warranty outside of the UAE, something IMO all manufacturers are guilty of we live in a global market and IMO all devices should come with worldwide warranty especially for any device that is obviously under 1 year old should need no roof of purchase and should just be repaired if needed under warranty.

I also realised that as i am retired i really had no need for all it could do and it's power and yes even Nokia have problems with production occasionally. But the difference being Nokia stopped releasing units until they address the issues, just compare that to how some manufacturers behave and i know without a doubt which i find to be the more ethical and the correct approach IMO.

So i am now using an E61 as my smart phone and an 80GB iPod for my entertainment needs which works best for me and i am not saying it has to for anyone else. Personally i am awaiting the true E61 replacement next year that hopefully will have the new OMAP Series 3 chip, 128Ram and hopefully 7.2mbps HSDPA. Or maybe the real P990 replacement but it will need to have an up to date spec and be proven before i would consider one as sorry but i no longer have the same faith in SE and what they say and do as i once had and who can really blame me.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-09-15 22:41 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-15 14:38:48
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@Dogmann
I don't deny the fact that on paper the N95 is the highest specced and one of the most advanced if not the most advanced phone in the market. And a good support to such product is its advertising campaign which I think has done justice to its capabilities. In contrast, we all know how poorly SE advertises its UIQ3 devices. I think this has contributed greatly to both N95 sales and UIQ3 lack of sales. So 1.5 million units of N95 have been sold and with its heavy advertising, position in the market as well as on-paper specs, this is not a surprising figure. What's surprising though according to SE-unlock, its return rate is 48% (that's almost half at certain retailers) as compared to 17% for UIQ3. This is where sales figures can be questionable as well as misleading

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[ This Message was edited by: mode on 2007-09-15 14:24 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-15 15:18:59
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It's called advertising and hype. Just compare to the iPhone. It too has sold quite well and I think most sensible people would agree that this first generation Iphone is *shite*.

Just like mode pointed out Nokia is far superior in advertising compared to SE. The only phones SE has ever really advertised has been the Walkman phones and even that has been very limited.

That said, I have to say that Dogmann's post is pretty sensible. I personally haven't really used N95 but I tried it and I don't like the form factor lack of touch screen and the flimsy slide. But these are really mostly a question of personal preference not something that necessarily makes one device superior or inferior. For me I am very happy with P1i but I also didn't go through the whole p990i saga. I came straight from the a rock solid p910i which is why SE to me has always had very stable and reliable phones with excellent build quality. To me that is more important than some extra frame rate for video or higher WLAN speed.

What I would have liked for the P1i if it didn't mean compromising on the AWESOME battery life and form factor would be a good GPS. However, so far I have found that the specs for the built in GPS in most phones are still not up to scratch (like cold start time, sensitivity and accuracy) so I rather stay with my bluetooth GPS for now.


[ This Message was edited by: G00gler on 2007-09-17 03:27 ]
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Posted: 2007-09-17 04:09:36
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@mode

I don't really no much about return rates but when one manufacturer sells 4 times the amount of devices as the other. Then it is only logical for there to be a higher return rate as they sell so many more devices to be precise 4 times as many, plus contrary to popular belief i have never said all Nokia's are perfect either ever.

But the N73 is a Multimedia smart phone and what ever problems any of the Nokia S60 3rd Edition smart phones may have they get fixed much faster and achieve stability far quicker than SE's UIQ3 offerings that's for sure.

Marc

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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-10-15 19:32 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-15 20:31:31
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I have had both P990i and P1i and got rid of both.

UIQ3 is bady put together with bad ergonomics and some pretty nasty bugs which seem still to be in the P1i.

The green camera tint issue is still there and SE are doing nothing about it, and the headset / bluetooth multimedia volume is about half as loud as previous models.

I have gone back to the P910i several times now as nothing beats it for reliability, music quality and ergonomics.

The main P1i issues are freezing, restarting, very unstable camera app and rapid battery drain. If you are happy to live with that then go ahead by all means. Oh .... and the camera really is very bad quality indeed!

And ... P.S. If you like remoteP800, there is only one replacement which is imageexpo - it costs about £60 (not joking) and it is nowhere near as good. It does work, but the quality on the PC screen is not as good and there are no popups either.

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[ This Message was edited by: kradcliffe on 2007-10-15 20:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-10-15 21:32:03
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