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That's probably right.. except the p1 lasts a lot longer on the same usage.
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Posted: 2007-12-04 00:57:57
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@Nipsen

Really why do you say that? as the N82 has Demand Paging that both improves battery life as well as Ram usage and OS speed, so just why would the P1 offer better battery life then? other than of course it's from SE.


As the Nokia Battery is a BP-6MT 1050mAh whilst the SE is a BST-40 1020mAh so actually has less to start with and doesn't have Demand Paging that improves battery life by approximately 25%. So i would be really interested to know just how this smaller battery is going to outperform the other then.



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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2007-12-04 01:11 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-04 01:49:50
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okalyddude:

if you want touchscreen phone I suggest you stick with a WM. Lots more programs. If you want a multimedia device with everything thrown in get the N82. P1i is just so yesterday with its outdated cpu, wifi-b only, no-edge and the confusing and user unfriendly UIQ3.


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Posted: 2007-12-04 04:42:19
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@Dogmann: because.. that's how it is? We're talking about the n82 giving out after a day on 1h calls, 30 mins web and 30 mins e-mail checking, plus some fifteen minutes games, and an hour music. On the same usage the p1 lasts you at least twice that, if you use 3g, and leave wlan enabled all the time, and accidentally let your mp3- player run an extra few hours if you forgot to turn it off while you made dinner. If you're a bit more economical, and fiddle a bit with the settings, you can predictably make it last around four days on that use (which is considered "light", when it comes to an m600 or a p1).

...And don't get me started on the demand paging, dogmann. (Although I swear I will, if you mention it again. ) Besides, the advertised up to 20% increase in battery life was obtained in some way by comparing the battery life on the n95 before the last firmware update, and the n95 after the update (which is the same software, generally, as what's on the n82). And therefore says little else than that yes, just as I and several others have said - it's perfectly possible to optimise a symbian- system a lot better than what nokia had done initially on s60. And that this suggests how well made and efficient UIQ3 is (at least in that respect). The processor and the bandwidth on the board might have something to do with too, of course.

I suppose it's not what you want to hear, but it's true, nevertheless.

But, in return, s60 is quicker on some things. Maybe not necessarily the menu- flipping - but the system is arguably easier to handle than either UIQ and WM, it has more connectivity options (which might be a plus), and some programs definitively run better. At least on the latest firmware.

(...which turned up over a year after the initial release of the product, which still has hangs and critical bugs - and by the way - do you see any UIQ evangelists gloating about how nokia spent a year to get their system to work - well, at least for a certain value of teapot? Or do they go around parading on s60 forums saying that nokia launched a beta- product at their customers, and that this proves how nokia couldn't care less about quality as long as the customers buy their crap. Which the customers will get, since they buy it regardless of how bad it is? And that the nokia marketing division should be drawn and quartered for outright lying? As well as that their apple- style blog- o- sphere stings are so desperate only nokia- customers would be stupid and incurious enough to fall for the perpetual "THIS UNIT IS PERFECT, BUY ANOTHER ONE NOW, NOW THAT EVERYTHING WORKS PERFECTLY!"

Sadly no. Instead you see disgruntled nokia- users bashing other phones for not being nokia, which apparently is perfect, or at least better than SE in every respect - regardless of use and preference, no matter how anyone insists they have other priorities. Now what does that tell you? Apart from how nokia- users aren't like other phone- users, I mean..)

*sigh* Anyway.. so it's a question of what you're looking for, obviously - and none of these units are perfect. People saying that are full of crap, and should be dismissed as the idiots they are. But some units are better than others in, perhaps important, ways.

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[ This Message was edited by: Nipsen on 2007-12-04 06:53 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-04 07:35:43
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@Mib:



another post that shows your emotionally based judgements towards SE have you held/used a UIQ 3 for a matter of time, seriously? many UIQ users especially from esato had reported WM being less optimized for TS than UIQ and UIQ had better input capabilities than WM. that's what you call confusing and unuser-friendly
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Posted: 2007-12-04 08:32:36
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I have tried UIQ3 phone before. If you come from a UIQ phone then of course you may not find it difficult but coming from a conventional phone, then it is pretty user unfriendly without the joypad and selection key. The side-scroll button is just not designed for one-handed use. Even full qwerty phone from WM and Palm caters to one-handed "conventional" use much better with inclusion of a joypad. My view on UIQ3 unfriendliness is limited to SE UIQ devices in general.



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Posted: 2007-12-04 09:13:00
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Id say get N82 its an N-Gage platform phone so it has a lot coming for it, the Web browser for OS9 phones like N80, N93i, N95 and N82 is GREAT! I usually use it to come on to Esato full HTML when Opera Mini gives me problems. It has the better camera with Xenon flash. Also it SHOULD be a lot faster around the Menus, Apps, Games etc. . . than the P1. Yep s60 has LOADS more apps and the games are brilliant especialy the N-Gage v2.0 games. N82 would be a great choice since atleast you will have EDGE.
The TyTN-II is also a good one but as far as i know doesnt realy have any kind of 3D Graphics acceleration so its not the best for gaming.
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Posted: 2007-12-04 09:32:23
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N82 has 4h 20min talk time compared to 10h talk time of P1. I dont know how those can be compared. Everyone knows SE makes the best batteries.
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Posted: 2007-12-04 09:36:00
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BTW,
I'd never call UiQ3 user unfriendly.
For me it's an completely logical system.
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Posted: 2007-12-04 12:21:58
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UIQ3 is like any other new system. It takes some time to get used, but since there are so few places to click, it's easy to find what you need.

Au contraire, in WM every programmer designs it's own interface and there is no rules whatsoever. You never know what to expect every time you open a new application.

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Posted: 2007-12-04 12:27:44
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