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On 2007-12-21 11:29:27, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-12-21 10:57:01, SP1 wrote:
You must be joking. I've had my camera nearly 4 years,it takes better pictures than a phone.
This message was posted from a 5300
Joking? Look again at my samples above.
Edit: I see that you're browsing from a phone. I guess you can't see the photos I posted.
I suspect that no matter which model of camera
you own, it is bound to be
much better than your Nokia 5300
And it's sure to also be better than SE's and Nokia's current top-of-the-range camera phones. The factor here is the sensor type.
My point in my previous post is that there are camera phones and then there are
camera phones!
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-21 10:32 ]
don't you mean phones w/ cameras and camera phones?
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Posted: 2007-12-22 08:14:24
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On 2007-12-21 08:25:18, AbuBasim wrote:
On 2007-12-20 03:08:41, razec wrote:
although there is one phone who manages to have a 1/2.5" Super HAD CCD sensor - the imobile-902 the lack of Optical Zoom and IS, slower image processing, more decent and digicam like dynamic range just pushed it behind the mid-end digicams.
Functionality-wise, the i-mobile 902 equals my two old digital cameras:
Olympus C-350 and
Sony DSC-S75 (both 3 MP) but without optical zoom and AE lock. It also lacks IS (image stabilization) but so does my two digicams!
Quality-wise it is better! Here's a comparison between the Olympus and the 902 I posted some time back in the 902 photos thread:
Note: these are crops of full size photos.
Olympus C-350
i-mobile 902
I would call the 902 a P&S camera with an undersized lens. And due to how the camera puts image quality before user-friendliness, the smaller lens gives slow shutter speeds, making it difficult to operate handheld anywhere except outdoors during daytime, and here is where IS would have been very handy.
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-21 10:36 ]
are the two P&S camera used a 1/2.5" sensor?
anyway i would dare you to compare a sony S40 4mp camera to your 902. the S40 uses the same(i guess) 1/2.5" sony HAD CCD but in 4mp and Carl-Zeiss(suddenly) would like to take that challenge for instance mate?
update: i found out that S75 has a 1/1.8" sensor and
Carl-Zeiss Vario Sonnar Optics, yet i don't know about Olympus
^^ so by this assumption, i can bet that the S75 beats your 902 quality wise(D-R, noise,Saturation, exposure, speed contrast,picture legibility when pointed to the sun etc), but resolution wise 902 rules
- btw wheres the S75 vs 902 comparison?
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[ This Message was edited by: razec on 2007-12-22 14:10 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-22 14:58:10
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On 2007-12-22 14:58:10, razec wrote:
update: i found out that S75 has a 1/1.8" sensor and
Carl-Zeiss Vario Sonnar Optics, yet i don't know about Olympus
^^ so by this assumption, i can bet that the S75 beats your 902 quality wise(D-R, noise,Saturation, exposure, speed contrast,picture legibility when pointed to the sun etc), but resolution wise 902 rules
- btw wheres the S75 vs 902 comparison?
The Olympus has a 1/2.5" CCD sensor according to
DPReview.com.
I posted a comparison between the S75 and the 902 a few months ago in one of the K850 or CCD vs CMOS threads but can't find that post now so here are fresh uploads. The following are 800x600 crops at full size:
Olympus C-350
Sony DSC-S75
i-mobile 902
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-23 18:33 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-23 19:15:44
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^^ as you can see your 902 is still inferior compared to the two above digicams quality wise. i dont know if you notice this but your 902 produces somewhat reddish-like cast throughout the images. olympus has brighter colors among the three but that has disadvantages: it could lead to overexposure when pointed unto a strongly litted object. S75 manages the exposure better - as expected thanks to C-Z Vario Sonnar. anyway even with 5 megapixel trademark 902 wont beat the two digicams since the pixels on the two were larger and also the mere fact that S75 has absolutely larger pixels per inch ratio alongside with the better optics on S75 and DR advantage on Olympus. the 902 doesn't stand a chance against the digicams - quality wise. anyway for better comparisons may you post more comparison pics taken by the three cameras?
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Posted: 2007-12-23 23:11:05
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Personally I feel that the 902 stands up quite well, considering the fact that it's lens is minuscule compared to the digicams. I feel that the S75 shot looks a bit greenish and lacks clarity. I agree that the Olympus shot is brighter and it got the white balance better than the 902 and the S75 (in that order!), but if you go back to my previous post with the indoor shot you can also see evidence of more noise from that camera, probably due to it being "tuned" for ease of use (i.e. higher ISO and faster shutter) rather than IQ since it's a pure P&S. And this tuning for ease of use is the opposite of how the 902 behaves, with it's long exposures that almost always mess up if you try to shoot hand held anywhere except in strong sun light, and for this reason the 902 is definitely not suitable as a replacement for a P&S.
If I post one more comparison a few days time, then it'll be as a blind test, with EXIF data deleted.
Meanwhile, here's another comparison from the 902 photos thread:
Canon EOS 300D with the 18-55mm kit lens
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Full size.)
i-mobile 902
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Full size.)
(The 902 doesn't stand a chance when comparing the above photos at full size, but then again, I would have been extremely disappointed with Canon if the 902 shot was closer in quality...)
BTW, a guy in the Czech Republic posted an interesting comparison
here: i-mobile 902, Sony Ericsson K800i and Canon EOS 30D(!) I don't understand the language but the picture samples say enough on their own.
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-24 04:29 ]
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@razec,
Photo 1:
Full size.
Photo 2:
Full size.
Photo 3:
Full size.
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-28 19:59 ]
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Posted: 2007-12-28 20:56:21
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Sorry but personally i think mobile phone cameras will never be up to the standard of dedicated digital cameras.
Companies may start putting 7.2/8mp cameras in their phones. But nothing will compare to a digital camera.
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Posted: 2007-12-28 21:44:10
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@Lunion,
I agree with you. I'm only comparing the i-mobile 902 with a couple of
four year old digicams. I wouldn't bother posting a comparison of it with my brand new
Canon Digital IXUS 860 IS
Having said that, with the other camera phone offerings (K850i, N95, G800, KU990), how far back in time would you have to go until a comparison could be made with old digicam technology where the camera phones could compete? And then I mean in all areas, including low light sensitivity!
Only when camera phone producers start putting larger lenses and better sensors (same size CCD/larger CMOS), then camera phones can start competing with digital cameras. But that's unlikely to happen:
1. Phone prices would go up, and camera phone prices are already close or above digital camera prices! (My 860 IS is cheaper than a K850i!)
2. Since the producers of these two technologies in most cases are the same! (Except for Nokia, which AFAIK doesn't make any digicams.)
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[ This Message was edited by: AbuBasim on 2007-12-29 04:32 ]
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