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in hungary on t-mobile edge support is amazingly fast. i watched tv on 6230i, was really cool. umts isnt that bad either, but i hardly noticed many differences among the mention 2 service. probably it has to do with the coverage aswell, i mean, in non umts areas edge is almost that fast as umts.
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Posted: 2008-03-06 06:25:37
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in practice, in non-hsdpa areas, edge and 3G are usually ball park. Also, both EDGE and 3G are more than fast enough for tv, streaming, and average browsing. EDGE will be around for a while yet, but it will steadily be replaced by 3G (in HSDPA form), imho.

The reason EDGE won't die out quickly, is the broad install base of EDGE equipment and the fact that it's still more than serviceable for current mobile internet use. Until people are downloading whole DVD's on the go, HD TV and the like, EDGE and 3G will continue to sit side by side.

Also to be remembered EDGE has a wide variety of speeds depending on the network technology, from 144 to 200Kbps and higher, so some EDGE networks are much more compareable to 3G than others. Network utilisation also affects throughput. So 3G won't always best EDGE (for now)
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Posted: 2008-03-06 09:57:33
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Im not saying EDGE is faster than 3G i have experienced very fast 3G on O2 even on a Samsung. What i was pointing out was my experience with EDGE being faster on the 6300 than 3G on the K800i. I just found it very odd. Im using EDGE now on my phone with this connection and pages load much faster than they did with the SE on 3G. Downloading is also very zippy. I never have any problems what so ever with signal or coverage and connections. On the phones normal browser EDGE pages loaded in less than a second where as with 3G signal on SE it took more than 5 seconds. Just found it strange.
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Posted: 2008-03-06 15:35:52
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@Seanyb2

I do understand that which is why i mentioned that each devices processor and browser could also be factor in how fast pages load and your overall experience.

@Max

Glad to see that you now understand why i was so enthusiastic about HSDPA and whilst i have been lucky in having it available for a long time now personally i wouldn't get a device without it.

I do remember though just how many were happy to say it's pointless of no real benefit and various other things untill they have experienced it and then change thier mind. At least until 4G rolls out HSDPA is the future for fast Data and much of the UK is alreday able to support up to 7.2mbps faster than most peoples home broadband, which personally i find quite amazing.

Marc

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Posted: 2008-03-06 16:57:22
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I've always understood that, but I just disagree that the general market would find many advantages in HSDPA as yet. Power users like yourself demand HSDPA sure, but the general unwashed public don't use mobile internet for anything where HSDPA makes a great deal of difference. This will change as HDTV etc become sought after via mobile handsets, but for now either EDGE or 3G is still sufficient for the average person's use of mobile internet.

For mobile broadband on laptops via USB modems, different story. Here HSDPA comes into it's own.

For myself, prices in Aussie are still a limitation though this is fast changing. Soon I will be after a HSDPA handset myself, but I also consider myself a power user - the only reason I haven't moved to HSDPA handsets yet is because of the stupid pricing of mobile broadband.

These two factors, that: 1. pricing in many parts of the world is not conducive to using fast mobile broadband for power users who might otherwise use it, and 2. the general consumer (not power users, who are a minority) is serviced adequately by 3G/EDGE speeds (and easy to use consumer services such as HDTV that utilise HSDPA speeds are not yet widespread).

This is my view of the market and why I argue that OEM's can still get away with not supporting HSDPA extensively. But the landscape is always changing and it won't be long before HSDPA is an absolute requirement for any high end handset. This is the argument I've always maintained, I certainly wouldn't change it just because I got to try out HSDPA (I haven't actually, but if I had I'd still hold the same view as stated above)
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Posted: 2008-03-07 02:17:10
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hsdpa is great, especially when u watch tv in hd quality or when i browse the net. of course it depends on the operators quality, 3 isnt that bad actually
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Posted: 2008-03-07 02:25:19
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Now that mobile broadband pricing in Australia is coming down I'll have to start considering an HSDPA handset. At the moment however realistic plans (for example 2GB/month for $40) are only available for computers with 3G modems, not for mobile handsets. For mobile handset gprs (regardless of whether it's a gsm or 3g carrier signal), prices are still quite steep (for example, $30 per month for 100MB).

The operators here need to get their heads out of the clouds and start being truly competitive.
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Posted: 2008-03-07 02:38:09
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here i use hsdpa only for checking emails, download attachments with them and wtach tv, all these are for free. never visit external sites ( only with wifi )
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Posted: 2008-03-07 02:40:50
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That is EXACTLY what it was like here in Canada just 4mths ago! When the CRTC; Canadian equivalent of FCC decided to allow outside investment in setting up mobile networks & another spectrum auction May 7th this year BAM all providers started to wake up and realize that the Scrooge squeezing of forced loyalty will not work any longer; rates came down significantly.

If its the same there, you may be able to "coerce" networks - if you have contacts - to offer $7/mth for unlimited On Device Browsing (for Approved phones; subsidized directly by provider offered direct/store purchased). This helps a considerable return on investment by providers. If they need to have IMEI checking tell them to contact Rogers Wireless I'm sure they'll be willing to help out with information.

In the meantime, 2GB/month for $40 is not too bad for phone browsing (NetFront or OperaMini), downloading, tethering though can get ya into hot water quickly. Check if providers there restrict that data option to aircards only and if they're able to tell if your using a phone or not.

Cheers mate.
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Posted: 2008-03-07 08:00:40
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I wish I had that sort of pull with providers!

Unfortunately here the 2GB/$35 month plans (It's $35 not $40, my bad. There are also others such as 6GB for $50/month) are limited to aircards - and I don't think the aircards take simcards so I'd say it's locked to device (probably using imei or mac address, I don't know which).

And of course those plans don't include mobile call rates, only data.

They'll come around eventually, but it's frustrating that they don't realise that if they just dropped the prices people would no longer restrict themselves. I suppose one problem is the total bandwidth available to all customers is low so they are trying to control usage by keeping prices high. But this is a poor way to do business in the long run. This is why I'm confident once the infrastructure is there the operators will bring in much better pricing all round.

Vodafone are implementing a 14.4Kbps network right now, and the HSDPA will only suppport up to 7Mbps for handsets (very few handsets in the world now can run at more than 3Mbps anyway), so the extra bandwidth capacity of the network will allow more people to be connected at the full speed of 3Mbps. (and 7Mbps as handsets become available).

Three and Telstra are also upgrading their networks (Telstra are planning a 40Mbps network!)
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Posted: 2008-03-08 00:30:38
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