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Here's mine. Hope there will be something coming up soon. To replace my K850 and P1i altogether...
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Posted: 2008-04-26 21:10:40
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On 2008-04-26 16:51:01, EddieAdams wrote:
After reading that the N82 took "best imaging device" in Europe I feel its time for SE to wake up. This is the second thread I have started on the topic.
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=168485
Perhaps a petition thread could motivate SE. With the restrictive size of the sensors used in cell phones CMOS isn't cutting it. The images are "noisy" and inconsistent. As mentioned in my other thread the I-mobile 902(with a Sony CCD camera unit) still takes better images than any other camera phone.
If SE were to use CCD in their flagship C-series phone, not only would they reclaim the imaging crown, SE would surely have a best-seller on their hands. I would also like to see Xenon flash used.(Photolight is only a touch above led's)
If you agree and would like a product that could truly be considered a substitute for your stand-alone digtial camera then sign below. Feel free to comment as well.
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[ This Message was edited by: EddieAdams on 2008-04-26 17:17 ]
@ Eddie,
No offense but this is a lackluster petition without research for what you are asking. I'll try to be brief.
* CCD does NOT gaurantee a better image in camera phones under 10MP.
* CCD adds more weight and SIZE to the thickness of a phone: that "I-mobile 902" phone which I cannot even see the specs on dimensions on gsmarena.com is HUGE in the link at (http://www.mobile-review.com/review/imobile-902-en.shtml)! Its thickness surely based on the CCD module alone (miniSD, USB, volume buttons have NO effect on the engineering of a devices thickness like CCD does). SE abandoned CCD after teh S700/S710 - although promising it for the K750i because of mass hysteria - due to its more expensive cost & manufacturing compared to CMOS chips.
* That qualty CMOS module used in the K750i which STARTED QUALITY print photos taken by a cam-phone did PRETTY well. Modding on the K800/K790 algorhythms of the CMOS IMPROVED the K800's photos just like the K750i's. I see this trend happening with the K850 when XS++ can correctly update & modify the firmware/system files.
* THe Nokia N82 that won that award is ALSO CMOS sensor based - I'm willing to bet that if SE used a GLASS lens on the K850i then quality would suffice equal to that of the N82 in most if not ALL conditions.
* Currently there is less than 5 camera phones by ANY manufacturer WORLDWIDE that uses CMOS in a recent production model (less than 1yr) on the market today!
There you have it. Some quick research to back up my emotions on this subject. I'm not trying to tell ppl what they should decide or not JUST trying to help them be MORE INFORMED before making a rash decision.
I think the petition should change its angle, but I'm STILL for the BEST quality in cybershot phones in the future. My suggestions (if you'll allow) are:
* Use GLASS lenses in ALL Cybershot phones from now on co-designed by various or single lens crafters.
* Test & if "quality" pics are proven; consider using that Varioptic -Liquid Optical lense module:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/[....]acturing-liquid-camera-lenses/
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http://www.advancedimagingpro[....]-Lenses-for-Cell-Phones/3$4978
for use in future
Cybershot cam-phones. Why? Their faster and use LES S Power - 2 major things for SE to consider.
* No more touch-capacitance or touch-sensitive keys on future Cybershot phones. Although the design is incredible many users have too much of a learning curve to adjust to it.
* Powerful processing & Power-efficient cpu's in ALL future
phones! NEAR IMMEDIATE future. This OS was designed for speed & efficiency, and lately its lagging due to the strain that A2 platform is giving it. The platform is PERFECT save for no WiFi; but using OLDER cpu's is just too much. SO my suggestion is for SE engineers and Head of Mobile Engineering to NO LONGER committ to more than 1yr cpu sourcing deals so that each year we're using current and powerful cpu's that keep the systems performing fast, efficiently and effectively without killing battery consumption rates that we're used to nor killing consumer appreciation for using their phone past 30 days
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Please, tell me if I stepped on any shoes, or went overboard, pls & thx.
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Posted: 2008-04-26 21:57:06
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Me too... A CCD lens, Xenon flash plus a 3x Optical Zoom are a must, a 2 LED photoflash in addition to these would be a bonus...
But a nightblade said, only putting CCD is not enough... I hope SE doesn't over smoothes or oversharpens the images like K850...
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Posted: 2008-04-26 22:01:42
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IMO a relatively big CMOS sensor with low megapixels will do the job, a camera in phone is just for fun after all, but yeah for those crazy megapixels and to have acceptable pixel quality, a CCD sensor is inevitable. so i'm in.
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Posted: 2008-04-26 22:04:23
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SE needs a N93i like phone. An all out dedication to video/camera. Screw the size and weight conscious people!
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Posted: 2008-04-26 22:11:53
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@Prom1
Sorry bro but I do not agree with your points... And what is this "lackluster petition without research"??? Do you think we all here are mad or stupid??? Rather it seems you haven't done enough research, or even seen pics from i-mobile 902...
Answers for just a few of your points:
On 2008-04-26 21:57:06, Prom1 wrote:
* CCD does NOT gaurantee a better image in camera phones under 10MP.
In camera phones, it sure does... We all agree here...
* CCD adds more weight and SIZE to the thickness of a phone
Ofcourse, K850, G800, N82, etc. are just so slim??? WOW??? Right???
Come on dude, CCD is not that heavy or big or thick as you think...
Both SE S700 and W900 are 24mm thick and guess what??? S700 has a CCD lens and W900 doesn't... Also, S700 weights 137 g and W900 weights 148 g... So W900 is as thick as S700 and more heavier but still doesn't have a CCD lens??? What's the reason???
Here are links for spec:
S700 -
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]ecifications/s700i?cc=in&lc=en
W900 -
http://www.sonyericsson.com/c[....]ecifications/w900i?cc=in&lc=en
So your point that CCD is big, thick and heavy is not so right...
Also, CCD is not so costly either, i-mobile 902 aint't that costly... Isn't that proof enough??? How much of a cost would a CCD add???
I am more concerned about quality of pictures in a Cybershot branded phone than anything else... It's SE who's at loss and they are not only loosing their own image but also Sony's and Cybershot brand... And I am not saying it, this is what is actually happening and now even average people have realised this... The same is happening with even Walkman phones...
Are these points enough or do you need to be explained further???
[ This Message was edited by: hgautam on 2008-04-26 21:44 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-26 22:40:25
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I agree, but still it's not like the image quality is absolutely disastrous
[ This Message was edited by: Duran on 2008-04-26 22:13 ]
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Posted: 2008-04-26 23:12:55
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@Duran That is just another way of saying it is mediocre ... :-)
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Posted: 2008-04-26 23:19:40
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i'm sorry.....but why the f**k are we having a petition for what a company puts into their mobile phones? I know I sound like an eco-mentalist here but I think there are more important things in our lives to worry about and in the world such as people starving in Africa yet all you guys think about is what frigging sensor is put in a camera?
Meh..........
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Posted: 2008-04-26 23:43:49
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ok,I agree ... so what is your suggestion we should do about it ?
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Posted: 2008-04-26 23:53:29
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