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posting from my jet... i really wanted to stay w/ se but i really lost intrest here
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Posted: 2009-06-17 23:26:00
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Well done to santo for standing up against SE n getting the JET, SE really sucks in this aspect, like you said- they should hold back the announcement until just before the release date...
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Posted: 2009-06-17 23:45:38
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Could one of Sony Ericsson's problems be that they are a joint venture operating at 2 different ends of the globe or something? I dont know its just a theory.
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Posted: 2009-06-17 23:49:00
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They're not really allowed the resources of a decent manufacturer, which is why they sometimes (more often these days BTW) look like a makeshift company
but I still have a weak spot for them, dunno why...
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Posted: 2009-06-18 01:25:39
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On 2009-06-17 16:40:58, synn wrote:
Jet is out here as well. Samsung can do it because as discussed earlier, they are friggin' huge, does all manufacturing in house.
It's a fine line for a much smaller company like SE. Either they can rush production and risk higher manufacturing costs and defects or they take too long to get everything sorted out and lose customer interest like what happened here.
They can't really focus on one smartphone platform either if they want to make inroads in that arena. Blackberry and Nokia can do it because they have their own mail management services which offer great benefits for the business user (And because they pretty much own those respective OSs). I don't think SE is in any position to offer a backbone structure similar to it. Android is far too limited at this point to offer everything at this point and WinMo is not for everyone. IMO, they are taking the right steps by having an offering with all major OS's. This way, they won't be caught with the pants down no matter which direction the market takes. Missing the boat in the first smartphone wave (And completely squandering away the lead they had with UIQ based touch-smartphone development) was one of the costliest mistakes SE did. One wouldn't want them to repeat it for another time.
They can always thin down the lineup if the market makes a decisive step and overwhelmingly support one of these platforms like say, Android 2.0.
Sony is as big as Samsung and they to do all development inhouse. In fact Samsung DOESN'T do much development at all. Look at their current line-up of smart-phones. They're the same hardware just with another OS on top of it. There's the Symbian model (which is based on the T-omnia hardware-wise) I8910, the I8000 (AKA Omnia II) a Windows Mobile device with same (or similar hardware specs) and the S8000 (the excact OmniaII's twin brother running Android OS). And lets'not forget there's the Star which is the old Omnia with Samsungs own UI/OS. They recycle even more than SE does.
In fact I hate it that Korea gets the T-Omnia (which is hardware wise nothing more than the Omnia 2 without Cube-thingy) while the rest of the world get an Omnia with inferior specs. I too would have prefered that T-Omnia with faster cpu (800MHz instead of 624) and better screen 480x800. In fact I talked to a Samsung representative about that a few weeks ago. I definitly didn't like what I heard from that bitch.
And they're numbering scheme is as bad as SE's. I can't get the Symbian phones out of the WinMobile or Samsungs own OS (and to complicate matters now they're gonna follow Android OS too)
It is indeed a problem that SE either should release products faster after they're announced or delay announcing products until they're ready. Because lets face it: they let us drool over by the Saito and by the time it's finally in the shops, we get bombarded with Nokia, Samsung and LG models which sometimes surpasses SE's offerings. And they definitly should improve on their QC because nowadays their products suck quality wise. Sony bought Minolta AND have their own imaging division yet SE's mobile cams are the worst. For instance they had a very good cam-module in the K750 all other 2MPixel phones released after that where worse... much worse (I know because I have the direct descendant o/t K750, the K550). Which in fact my is already my second K550 and now this one's vibration is broken
The days that you could go to war with your Ericsson cellphone are long gone by. They're current chinese build phones have more flaws with each passing generation. No wonder ppl flock away. They too have a big stake in Symbian yet they have NO Symbian phones in their current line-up. Unlike Nokia and Samsung whom both have several (especially Nokia is very active with regards to Symbian).
The only thing they have going for is their own very good phone OS which has very well integrated phone features (after all we ARE talking about phones here, right). Which looks nice, is fast (on many models). But which I think is mostly Ericsson heritage.
As you might have guessed I too have been looking at the competition. In fact I'm currently deciding between the older HTC Touch Diamond (coupled with a bigger battery) or the (equally older) Samsung Omnia (though I'd rather want the T-Omnia). The newest models are too expensive (and the forthcoming models are just too much.... for that money I buy a full blown laptop PC today). But these older beasts can be had for very good prices nowadays.
Sorry for the long rant. But I think my feelings express much of what many other ppl think of SE today.
We won't keep waiting forever to bring us the phone we want.
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Posted: 2009-06-18 02:35:44
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I am glad others feel that SE should stop that 9 months delay between the annoucement and the actual launch of their phones... Lets hope they have ears and eyes everywhere and straighten up the situation.
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Posted: 2009-06-18 07:43:26
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Delay in releasing products is one thing....
pricing strategy is unrealistic in the current market scenario ....
current ex: Samsung Star - 9500/- , LG Cookie - 9500/- whereas
C510 - 10,500/- &
W595 - 12,500/-
I don't know how they will capture market share with this type of pricing strategy
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Posted: 2009-06-18 08:08:07
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On 2009-06-18 08:08:07, c_vignesh wrote:
Delay in releasing products is one thing....
pricing strategy is unrealistic in the current market scenario ....
current ex: Samsung Star - 9500/- , LG Cookie - 9500/- whereas
C510 - 10,500/- &
W595 - 12,500/-
I don't know how they will capture market share with this type of pricing strategy
Well yeah I got the Jet which is fully pakced for 600 usd...I dont think I will be able to get any SE product equally featured for less than 800 at release date.
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Posted: 2009-06-18 10:43:15
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The cookie and the smart have nothing except the touchscreen. Try running java apps in the phones.They hang like hell. i tried it and its very very gimmicky. typing an sms is like trying to hop on a 10-serie stair using 1 leg.
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Posted: 2009-06-18 13:09:26
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phones have the right to be more expensive than those 2 you mentioned... The models above are much more better in quality compared to others imo...
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Posted: 2009-06-18 13:12:56
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