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On 2010-10-23 09:25:25, Dups! wrote:
There is nothing as irritating as ignorant posts like this one!!!
You come to this thread and insult people (in this thread) without reading the contents and understanding the context of the thread. What is your problem?
Did anyone in this thread claim SE were/are the best phone manufacturer? Did SAARAN ask about any other phones except the Vivaz and X10? Learn to read and understand first before you brand people 'blinded by loyalty'!!!
If SAARAN wanted any other phone(s) he would've included it (them). Not that there is anything wrong with suggesting any other manufacturer but do it considering the topic and respect the members who replied in THIS THREAD!
I wasn't insulting anyone, just merely stating that asking about both phones on this thread, people are going to say "this one over that" whereas in reality both phones (X10 and Vivaz) are pretty crap and overpriced when there are other (better value for money) phones out there. No one on this forum is going to suggest any other brand because people are on this forum as their fans of Sony Ericsson. Which is my point, many people are just sticking to the brand because they've had many SE phones, and so when suggesting to other people their influences of this reflect what they suggest. My opinion; if you aren't happy with it, then deal with it. But there's no need to flame at me.
By the way, please don't misquote me I said "blinded by their SE love-affair" never mentioned loyalty.
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[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2010-10-23 14:51 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-23 15:47:37
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I won't continue this 'argument' with you beyond this point. Again, read a thread before you respond- the OP asked between 2 phones and WE responded on that basis and never claimed SE are the best ever manufacturer.
Secondly, by branding US 'blinded by their SE love-affair' is insulting enough because you are essentially saying we have no requirements, needs and standards but we buy phones because they are SE.
Thirdly, yes I may have misquoted you but the following statement: 'The only reason for sticking with SE is if you like them as a brand, otherwise ditch them, go for something better' means pretty much what I 'misquoted' when I wrote 'blinded by loyalty'.
Thirdly, and lastly, while I agree that the Vivaz (mostly due to the chosen OS) is pretty crappy but the X10 is nowhere near crap. It's only caveat is Android 1.6 and maybe multi-touch if can't do without it but the phone is just as good as any of your precious high-end HTCs. This is not a flame war but until HTC make a phone first then I won't spend my money on them. By that I mean they are piss poor at signal reception and haven't improved much over the years plus their call quality is somewhat suspect. One thing they are good at is giving users excellent hardware and very good software optimization. I quite like their Sense UI actually.
Just because you are unhappy with SE doesn't mean you can't give credit when they come up with a good device like the X10 despite the outdated OS that is getting an upgrade soon even though it is still a step behind. Overall the phone is quite good.
Before you think I'm an SE fan(boy) let me assure you I buy what appeals to me, in fact, I haven't bought an SE phone in over two years. The last phone I bought this year is a Blackberry Bold 9700 and before that a Motorola V8. I'm currently loving the Motorola Droid Pro and to an extent the Iphone 4 so I'm not 'blinded by the SE love-affair'. As a brand SE still do appeal to me and should they release a spectacular phone I will buy.
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Posted: 2010-10-23 17:07:23
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On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
I won't continue this 'argument' with you beyond this point. Again, read a thread before you respond- the OP asked between 2 phones and WE responded on that basis and never claimed SE are the best ever manufacturer.
Clearly then the next several paragraphs aren't arguing...
I can assure you I read the thread thoroughly before posting my reply
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Secondly, by branding US 'blinded by their SE love-affair' is insulting enough because you are essentially saying we have no requirements, needs and standards but we buy phones because they are SE.
Well if I'm honest, and this may not go for you individually (never said it did) but yes many people on this forum do buy into SE phones for this reason alone, hence they managed to survive buy producing 'copy-cat phones' for many years. Many phones had problems like the C905 and SE slowly became known for the shit build quality, yet people stick. And no yes they've realised a decent smart phone but still many people on this forum only stick with the brand.
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Thirdly, yes I may have misquoted you but the following statement: 'The only reason for sticking with SE is if you like them as a brand, otherwise ditch them, go for something better' means pretty much what I 'misquoted' when I wrote 'blinded by loyalty'.
Just for the record, you cannot just make up quotes and they say "oh but what they wrote here implied..." they're in speech brackets for a reason, if you're just summing up what someone had said, leave them out.
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Thirdly, and lastly, while I agree that the Vivaz (mostly due to the chosen OS) is pretty crappy but the X10 is nowhere near crap. It's only caveat is Android 1.6 and maybe multi-touch if can't do without it but the phone is just as good as any of your precious high-end HTCs. This is not a flame war but until HTC make a phone first then I won't spend my money on them. By that I mean they are piss poor at signal reception and haven't improved much over the years plus their call quality is somewhat suspect. One thing they are good at is giving users excellent hardware and very good software optimization. I quite like their Sense UI actually.
I think you mean fourthly, 'your precious high-end HTCs' I don't own any HTC's never have, saying that you're implying I am and HTC fan. I'm not, I just have an open mind when it comes to phones and viewing which is best HTC still stands out for me, personally. And I know others may not agree (you for instance) however that is my opinion and yours, is yours.
By the way I don't see how you can slag of the signal reception/call quality and then say they provide 'excellent hardware', but anyway if you feel that way then good for you!
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Just because you are unhappy with SE doesn't mean you can't give credit when they come up with a good device like the X10 despite the outdated OS that is getting an upgrade soon even though it is still a step behind. Overall the phone is quite good.
Before you think I'm an SE fan(boy) let me assure you I buy what appeals to me, in fact, I haven't bought an SE phone in over two years. The last phone I bought this year is a Blackberry Bold 9700 and before that a Motorola V8. I'm currently loving the Motorola Droid Pro and to an extent the Iphone 4 so I'm not 'blinded by the SE love-affair'. As a brand SE still do appeal to me and should they release a spectacular phone I will buy.
Believe it or not I am happy with my K850i I love it and think Sony Ericsson is a great brand, I just said that people on this forum were, in my view, bias. I still think they have some quality control issues, but it appears they're finally ironing them out. I don't think your an SE fan boy, I just think your way over protective of users on this forum when their subject to criticism.
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2010-10-23 17:25 ]
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Posted: 2010-10-23 18:24:24
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On 2010-10-23 18:24:24, adsada wrote:
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
I won't continue this 'argument' with you beyond this point. Again, read a thread before you respond- the OP asked between 2 phones and WE responded on that basis and never claimed SE are the best ever manufacturer.
Clearly then the next several paragraphs aren't arguing...
I can assure you I read the thread thoroughly before posting my reply
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Secondly, by branding US 'blinded by their SE love-affair' is insulting enough because you are essentially saying we have no requirements, needs and standards but we buy phones because they are SE.
Well if I'm honest, and this may not go for you individually (never said it did) but yes many people on this forum do buy into SE phones for this reason alone, hence they managed to survive buy producing 'copy-cat phones' for many years. Many phones had problems like the C905 and SE slowly became known for the shit build quality, yet people stick. And no yes they've realised a decent smart phone but still many people on this forum only stick with the brand.
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Thirdly, yes I may have misquoted you but the following statement: 'The only reason for sticking with SE is if you like them as a brand, otherwise ditch them, go for something better' means pretty much what I 'misquoted' when I wrote 'blinded by loyalty'.
Just for the record, you cannot just make up quotes and they say "oh but what they wrote here implied..." they're in speech brackets for a reason, if you're just summing up what someone had said, leave them out.
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Thirdly, and lastly, while I agree that the Vivaz (mostly due to the chosen OS) is pretty crappy but the X10 is nowhere near crap. It's only caveat is Android 1.6 and maybe multi-touch if can't do without it but the phone is just as good as any of your precious high-end HTCs. This is not a flame war but until HTC make a phone first then I won't spend my money on them. By that I mean they are piss poor at signal reception and haven't improved much over the years plus their call quality is somewhat suspect. One thing they are good at is giving users excellent hardware and very good software optimization. I quite like their Sense UI actually.
I think you mean fourthly, 'your precious high-end HTCs' I don't own any HTC's never have, saying that you're implying I am and HTC fan. I'm not, I just have an open mind when it comes to phones and viewing which is best HTC still stands out for me, personally. And I know others may not agree (you for instance) however that is my opinion and yours, is yours.
By the way I don't see how you can slag of the signal reception/call quality and then say they provide 'excellent hardware', but anyway if you feel that way then good for you!
On 2010-10-23 17:07:23, Dups! wrote:
Just because you are unhappy with SE doesn't mean you can't give credit when they come up with a good device like the X10 despite the outdated OS that is getting an upgrade soon even though it is still a step behind. Overall the phone is quite good.
Before you think I'm an SE fan(boy) let me assure you I buy what appeals to me, in fact, I haven't bought an SE phone in over two years. The last phone I bought this year is a Blackberry Bold 9700 and before that a Motorola V8. I'm currently loving the Motorola Droid Pro and to an extent the Iphone 4 so I'm not 'blinded by the SE love-affair'. As a brand SE still do appeal to me and should they release a spectacular phone I will buy.
Believe it or not I am happy with my K850i I love it and think Sony Ericsson is a great brand, I just said that people on this forum were, in my view, bias. I still think they have some quality control issues, but it appears they're finally ironing them out. I don't think your an SE fan boy, I just think your way over protective of users on this forum when their subject to criticism.
[ This Message was edited by: adsada on 2010-10-23 17:25 ]
I know I wrote that I won't continue 'arguing' with you but I thought your last post warranted a response. Unfortunately I'm out and about and on a phone and can't isolate your points and respond the way I would like but I'll try my best.
I like the way you try and twist everything against me
I also appreciate your current tone which is calm and rather reasonable hence I broke my promise not to respond.
1. Note that the argument is in quotation marks which signifies I didn't really think of this as an argument.
2. I accept that you didn't actually mean that I 'was blinded by their SE love-affair' but you really spoiled a thread of someone asking for help on Sony Ericsson phones only. I also think the generalisation is unfair on some of the more objective members here though I agree that some love the brand irrespective of its faults. As I said there's nothing wrong suggesting another manufacturer as long as you are polite.
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Nice one, yes, I meant fourthly and yes I misquoted you which was wrong but we're playing at semantics here, your first post did refer or imply that we or as you put it some members here are blinded by loyalty, in fact your further posts only served to reinforce that.
4. No, I didn't imply that you are an HTC fanboy but the way you seem to hold the brand in high esteem suggested to me you like it just a tad more. Yes, HTC have great hardware but are horrible at signal reception, that is no contradiction at all, having great hardware doesn't always mean you will be able to always match it with equally great software optimization. The fact is Nokia, Ericsson and Motorola have far better reception as a result of having been the pioneers in this regard and their patents that the other manufacturers choose not to apply in such instances (cost cutting) but rather try to compensate with their own inventions end up giving them poor standards of telephony or signal reception.
5. No, I wasn't protecting anybody but wanted the OP to get a better perspective and help. I am not a fan of people who refuse to accept or see the problems in their favourite persons/company/product, etc, that is the cause of the problems we find ourselves in in everyday life because we don't admit, accept and try to solve a problem or problems that we may have.
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Posted: 2010-10-23 19:35:08
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On 2010-10-20 18:30:12, SAARAN wrote:
GUyz....im planning to buy a new phone, my requirements are :
1. Phone should be fast
2. It shouldnt crash, hang, shouldnt be lagging...
3. high in volume
4. finally looks should be amazing
5. OS may be of any platform, xcept Windows mobile
According to me i have selected two phones
Xperia x10 and sony ericsson VIvaz....
A late reply, but since i have had the Vivaz for half a year now I have some comments:
Q 1. It is fast enough for me.
Q 2. After the firmware updates it doesn't crash anymore (or more precise: It doesn't crash often, only maybe once a month)
Q 3. I am not satisfied with the speaker volume.
Q 4. It looks great.
Q 5. The Symbian operating system is completely obsolete and ruins this phone.
To sum it up:
Pros: size, looks, camera
Cons: bad T9, obsolete scrolling in menus, few apps available to a non Nokia Symbian, wifi using a lot of current, horisontal/vertical sensors slow, missing basic menu items as timer etc., bad way of writing and sending SMS-es, cannot reply a MMS with an SMS... this list could continue for a long time. The S60 Symbian OS is the major problem with this phone.
I hope an Android phone with a similar size and a good camera will appear next year. The X10 is too big and the X10 mini is to small for me. Vivaz is the perfect size, but has the wrong OS.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 16:56:55
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you guys calm down. just leave the critics and help our friend to choose between those phones. we get nothing when do argue.from my personal feel vivaz is really good and compact but poor os. x10is great from hardware and the os choosen. its really pain in using resistive screens. oh god browsing without kinetic scrolling kill your finger for sure. this is the one reason I hate vivaz. lot of customisations on x10 and gaming will be better on x10. but doubt how you look at the compactness.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 18:29:04
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Yep, one thing you must be prepared to deal with on the X10 is its size, its quite big.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 19:04:26
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On 2010-11-11 16:56:55, kristaga wrote:
cannot reply a MMS with an SMS...
I've had the Vivaz Pro for about 2 weeks now, and I agree it's definitely not the best phone out there.
But you
can reply an MMS with an SMS. I just found out today actually. Simply remove the field "Subject" in the reply. Then it becomes an SMS.
But silly way of doing it yes.
I'd say, if the big size of X!0 and lack of hardware keyboard doesn't bother you, then go for X10.
For me, a small sized device + hardware keys + HD video recording + good mp3 player audio quality was important, so I had to go for Vivaz Pro.
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Posted: 2010-11-11 21:28:33
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Besides that X10 is a little bit quiet, for me it's the best SE phone I've ever used. Big but thin, clear screen, stable OS, !!!A LOT OF POSSIBILITIES WITH APPS!!!, good GPS receiver, good WiFi receiver. I had Satio, it's like Vivaz and it was far away from X10!!!
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Posted: 2010-11-11 22:50:37
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There is only 1 option left for you. X10
I have a Vivaz and it's horrible. Low volume, no smileys, no user friendliness. Camera is fine but so is X10
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Posted: 2010-11-11 23:31:09
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