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There's no need to look at the smartphones that SE produced during the final days. They had to launch unfinished products to keep up with the others.
Reason for that was they ended symbian UIQ instead of pushing it forward.
The glory and innovation days started with the T610 and continued for a long time, but every time Sony was holding them back. They couldn't ge the latest sensors or cam modules, they had to use MSD and later on M2.
At the end they didn't really know which direction they wanted to take, thats why they launched products with unfinished UI's and firmware.

I right now have an Xperia T for less then a year, and the screen is full of scratches, i really take care of my phones, i used a P1 for many (many, many) years and the screen still looks fine. Even my P800 was still good, even though the buttons pressed down on the screen.

So in terms of quality they aren't really trying enough. I agree having phones which are ip57 is good, but thats easely done because they are so thin.

What kind of innovation am i looking for? Well everything they launched so far excisted in the early 2000's. Ericsson had more (working) prototypes then phones. So what they had back then excists now.
What do we need imo, the next gen of battery's or we might even skip that part and go to the gen beyond that. An AI so the phone will be more then just a tool, an really screen based on (a nokia pattent) that will repair itself. Flexible phones (like samsung is finally launching), better cams (quality, amount of mp, infra red filming, ...), there are so many things that can be improved.

And while Sony seems to be on the right track i would say, look to the others, none of them is really pushing hard.
Small company's like Jolla, and Yota, they are still pushing hard to get a phone on the market with some innovation.
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Posted: 2013-10-07 12:35:44
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I wouldn't agree that SONY is as bad as etaab states it is.I do understand his POV though..for someone who respects SONY its sad to see that they aren't as good as SAMSUNG.
BUT SONY is making some beautiful phone with great specs..all they are lacking is that X factor..that 100%.Screen lottery is an issue.i would like to see SONY make a phone with every one having an equally good screen and acceptable by all.That's when SONY will have gone one step forward.Right now they are making nice phones but are a step behind SAMSUNG.But they are on the right path and they have the potential to get right on top in a very short time
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Posted: 2013-10-07 12:43:50
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I 100% agree with reeflotz. Sony is getting better and has shown tremendous innovation in all their products. Is it a surprise when PSN being hacked? No. Every single software can be hacked. It is just a matter of whether you want to hack or not. Hey, adobe just being hacked. Saying adobe is unfinished product is absurd.

In terms of innovation, I think Sony is the only company that innovate.

QX10 and QX100 are innovations.
Triluminous display that uses quantum dot technology is innovation
Able to use pencil on capacitive touchscreen is innovation
Able to squeeze in good lens in a slim profile is innovation
Vaio tap 11 with Intel haswell processor in a slim profile is innovation
Smartwatch is innovation
PlayStation 4 is innovation

.....more. I don't see any other company that innovative as Sony. Most of them just recycle their products.

and, I'm puzzled when people say Samsung is ahead. What has Samsung done that make them ahead in terms of innovation ? AMOLED is not that great. The screen is unusable under bright sunlight and the colour is not accurate. Sony OLED screen as seen on PS Vita is much better. Samsung camera is even worst compared to Sony. Samsung design is also not good (not beautiful). ( I know this is subjective, but I believe many people agree with me on this). Samsung smartwatch is way behind Sony. Sorry, I couldn't find any innovation from Samsung that make them ahead of sony.

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Posted: 2013-10-07 12:45:32
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@bart

I agree on that MSD and M2, I also hated it, although I think Sony seemed to realize now that it's better to stick with microSD and MicroUSB instead of the annoying fastport . Anyway MyP910 summed up the innovation nicely on what Sony has currently brought to the table and slowly integrating it on the Xperias.

@ranjith

I also agree that Sony needs to iron out the remaining problems/complaints on their mobile.

On the other hand their Playstation seems to be perfectly ironed out right now, they literally fixed everything the PS3 was lacking and I'm waiting for the same thing to happen with their Xperias.
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Posted: 2013-10-07 13:57:52
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I can't really agree or disagree with most here, whole lot of good points made BUT:

MyP910

Rather just say you are blind to any other innovations other than Sony's, rather than say nobody else is as innovative as Sony. We've got Samsung creating ever faster, more efficient memory chips going into many manufacturers phones, we've got both LG and Samsung working on Flexible displays which could bring us a whole new generation of devices, especially wearable devices. Nokia making ever more brilliant Camera advancements.
We've got Apple, Samsung, Google and Microsoft all taking huge leaps to bring Education to developing countries using mobile (smartphones and tablets) through innovative ways with their SW and HW-this is MAJOR! I could go on as if you really open your eyes you'll see plenty of innovation around.
You are actually so naive it's unbelievable and rather sad. I know you seem to totally dislike and dismiss anything not Sony, but you simply can't just try dismiss other company's efforts.

Don't bother to reply to this, I'd be better off talking to a brick wall it seems.


The rest

We actually had a good discussion going here. I have to agree that Sony in some aspects have made great improvements from SE, I'm glad that Sony do actually update their phones, as compared to the X10 days, and their design and build quality has seen a great overhaul from the days of the SE W850, with cracking keypads and so on. Sony are headed in the right direction but I'd like to see some major fixing in the following before I get another Sony phone:

1. No more screen lottery
2. 32GB flagship variants
3. Easying on the post processing in pics
4. Launching with the very latest available Android version e.g. I wish the Z1 And Z Ultra came with 4.3 out-the-box

Sony have the potential, I wish they'd just go all out and blow us all away as they did with SE with the P800, the K750/W800, K800 etc... I'd happily comeback.


Cheers!
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Posted: 2013-10-07 14:20:09
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@Tsepz_GP,

Personally I don't consider improving semiconductor speed according to Moore's law is innovation. Its a given due to the scaling down of transistors. Everybody in the semiconductor businesses will do the same. While, flexible display can be considered as innovation, I will reserve that until it is released. After all, there might be some other companies doing it including Sony. Finally, smartphones and tablets are made by so many company including Sony. To me, innovation is something more than that, some breakthrough. Yeah, flexible display is innovation, but still in prototype stage.

btw, I'm not dislike of dismiss anything but sony, I'm just pointing out the innovations brought by Sony. The list that I provided is just a few from many more innovations made by sony (some even not successful due to various reason).

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Posted: 2013-10-07 14:47:57
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Did I miss something or comparing SE to Sony doesn't make sense at?

Same team and engineers are still making doing the same work..
Had they kept doing it under SE or now under Sony makes no difference to the end consumer I think.. We'd still get the Xperia Z and Z1 and Z Ultra..
Acquiring Ericsson and taking full control over the mobile department had a business motive as far as I know..

Same as it stands now with Nokia and MS.. Same people will keep doing what they have been doing.. Maybe in this case with an exception that Nokia's team will get full access to WP code and permission to do more with it..
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Posted: 2013-10-07 15:05:06
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Well not really. You wouldn't get the Z Ultra, Z1 if it was still SE.

It's been a little over a year since all product R&D has been moved to Tokyo, Japan. The "old" SE team in Sweden only takes care of software now.


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Posted: 2013-10-07 15:14:25
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Yeah moved meaning, new labs same people or new team as well?

Because I doubt the engineers working on hardware R&D in the SE era are now all gone and a new team in Japan deployed..
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Posted: 2013-10-07 19:13:00
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A new team as well. Plus a lot of people from other Sony electronics division are also involved in phone development now.

Most of the SE hardware team was laid off in Sweden soon after the SE acquisition. Only the software team remains now. There was even a thread on that news here I believe.

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Posted: 2013-10-07 19:22:32
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