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War is never a solution to any problem. It only causes more hatred thus complicating the situation.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 12:58:00
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Cyanx7,
Well that's your opinion. And that's all it is. You're not living over here. I am.
What makes you think you have more insight into what my nation is doing than I do?
You don't respond to it because you have nothing intelligent to say.
[ This Message was edited by: Azaray on 2003-03-20 12:07 ]
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:00:00
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Quote:and isnīt bush to old for the sandbox?
well, it seems not...
cheers scandinavians...
at least u guys have fully working brains...
congrats...
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:03:00
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@ Azary
I understand that 9/11 was horrible for America. And it was indeed a horrible act.
But your argumentation has one fatal flaw. The majority of the 9/11 attackers were of Saudi and Kuwaiti nationality and not Iraq (I'm not attacking any Saudi or Kuwaiti people here, all countries have their share of nutcases).
And no ties between Iraq and Al-Quaida has ever been proven, even if president Bush makes it sound like that. Also one should keep in mind that Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein doesn't share the same views, in fact they hate each others guts.
Attacking Iraq as a revenge of 9/11 doesn't hold as an argument.
Many of the US so called proofs have been dismissed as plain lies and fakes. For example the proofs of Iraq trying to buy Uranium from Nigeria which was later shown to be fakes.
And also you forget one fact, which is that Saddam Hussein was put in leadership by no one else than the US.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:17:00
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yes i have something to say homeboy... u can't call saddam a dictator 'cause u backed him in the past, back when he was a HERO for liberty's cause, fighting evil in iran... remember that homeboy? well i do.
bush, by doing this attack is violating international community laws in a way that resembles another late great politician... know who? Adolf Hitler... he did the same with society of nations prior to WWII. did u know that? did u read u're history books? there's something funny 'bout history, homeboy... it REPEATS itself...
what believable proof is there that SADDAM has mass destruction weapons? what believable evidence is there that AL-QAEDA is being supported by saddam? ZILCH! NADA! US ONLY PRESENT EVIDENCE THAT HAS BEEN DEEMED DUBIOUS BY THE INTERNATIONAL COMUNITY!!!!!
and even in u're country, homeboy, a guy is considered innocent untill he's proven guilty, right... NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND HOMEBOY!...
who tha hell are US to decide if he's fit to rule or not? who gives US that right?
it's an easy answer, homeboy... FORCE gives all the right... is that correct? the same force that saddam used when he invaded Kuwait a few years back... that's why he's a criminal, isn't it... he used force as any criminal would do to get what he wants... if US are doing the same now, what can u really say about US? that they are also criminals... isn't that right homeboy?
u say americans died in th 11'th september?
HOW MANY INNOCENT PEOPLE HAVE US MILITARY KILLED IN SERVIA, IN SUDAN, IN AFGHANISTAN, IN IRAQ, IN GRANADA, IN ALL THE COUNTLESS COUNTRIES U SHOVED U'RE GLORIOUS GUN UP SOMEBODY'S ASS WITHOUT ANY RIGHT TO DO IT?... mainly because all these countries are thousands of km away from US territory...
oh, but those don't count, right? THEIR LIVES AREN'T AS VALIOUS AND PRECIOUS AS YOURS, ISN'T THAT RIGHT HOMEBOY?...
i'm really worried homeboy... u know why? cause i see clearly what US have done their allies lately... saddam and bin laden were US allies... did u know that homeboy? it's a laugh, isn't it...
well, the government of my country has now stepped over UN to suck up to u're friend, Bush... maybe we're the next allie to fall, homeboy...?
who knows where u're government is pointing his big gun next...?
maybe next it's time for me and my family and my friends to die like the innocents in iraq, homeboy... u think about that homeboy...
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:39:00
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totally agree with cyanx
who's next on the map homeboy?
cuba????
Fidel Castro? does he hv weapons of mass destruction.. Bush thinks so
so u got fidel, then they will try N. Korea
then they will attack China cuz they might become a major super power, then the world will realize what bush is doing and everyone will use NY as their target point and US will fall, like Rome...
u know, every civ that has ever rose to great power and tried to take over has fell at one point..
The Knowledged One Has Spoken
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:44:00
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On 2003-03-20 13:17, ppcrockar wrote:
@ Azary
I understand that 9/11 was horrible for America. And it was indeed a horrible act.
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But your argumentation has one fatal flaw. The majority of the 9/11 attackers were of Saudi and Kuwaiti nationality and not Iraq (I'm not attacking any Saudi or Kuwaiti people here, all countries have their share of nutcases).
I understand this and I'm aware of this.
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And no ties between Iraq and Al-Quaida has ever been proven, even if president Bush makes it sound like that. Also one should keep in mind that Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein doesn't share the same views, in fact they hate each others guts.
They haven't been disproved either. No one on this discussion board can prove or disprove this completely. But the US government apparently has sufficient evidence of this that it feels it needed to wage war. Keep in mind, the UK is a part of this effort as well. They must have their own evidence. I'm not surprised that Osama and Saddam hate each other. They hate everybody. Perhaps they do have different views on certain things, but that doesn't mean that they disagree when it comes to damaging the United States.
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Attacking Iraq as a revenge of 9/11 doesn't hold as an argument.
It's not meant to be revenge for 9/11. It's meant to squash any further potential damage to our nation. The US does not wage war on other nations just for the hell of it. There are significant reasons for doing what we're doing.
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Many of the US so called proofs have been dismissed as plain lies and fakes. For example the proofs of Iraq trying to buy Uranium from Nigeria which was later shown to be fakes.
Well, I don't know what to say to that, other than the difficult thing here, is that we civilians, regardless of what nation we come from, really don't have enough perspective on everything to know what ALL is true and what isn't. Governments are made up of men that put their pants on the same way we do and are subject to mistakes now and then just like you and I are. Every nation makes their mistakes, but we do not have a history of waging war on other nations for no reason. We have been more than patient with Saddam.
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And also you forget one fact, which is that Saddam Hussein was put in leadership by no one else than the US.
Well, I'm not aware of that (although I will research that), but even if that were true, it doesn't make us responsible for all of his atrocious acts. Do you believe that our country (if they were aware Saddam was a ruthless dictator) would have assisted him in gaining leadership in the middle east? I don't think so.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:47:00
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I have always been brought up to understand that "Two Wrongs DONOT Make A Right". Did these "so called" Nation leaders mummies not teach them this? I guess they think that 3500+ lost lives was clearly not enough.
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:52:00
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I just read that a bunch of americans nationwide r burning french flags..
what a bunch of dumb asses
also I salute my prime minister for his great comment that Canada will not get involved unless the UN tells us to..
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Posted: 2003-03-20 13:58:00
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Is Afganistan better or worse for the allied forces going in and removing leaders who have little value for human life? Do you ever hear the people there saying things should have been left as they were.
Do you think the people in Iraq want us to continually wait while they are murdered, raped & tortured so they can constantly remain as a poor down trodden people instead of rich themselves from their vast oil reserves like their neibours?
Yes, western countries will have there own agenda's & I actually think the US & UK could have waited longer but in the end, for this world to become trully civillised, dictators or governments that rule by terror & fear have to be tackled.
As regards agenda's, France, Germany, Russia have there own which would generally be aimed at preventing US being such a power in this world.
If the French & Germans get their way, they want to become a powerful European state to rival the US. Well Bollocks to it all, I want a united World!
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Posted: 2003-03-20 14:03:00
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