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No offence kazman but you are bound to say that working for the blighters now aren't you? Vodafone have eyes everywhere, so you have to toe the party line, if you didn't then they would come round and get you! Hold on, I'll be right back, there's a knock at my front door ...
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Posted: 2003-08-29 10:17:23
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Thanks for all the answers guys it is good to get a balance of opinons
@KazMan
So apart from the basic video calling and stuff what has vodaphone live 3 got to make me buy a handset?
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For me I don't think the size of the handset matters that much. Lots of people who see my p800 think it is too big but it really does not bother me as I think of it as a pda as well as a phone and no one would say the Ipaq is too big.
I think the only way 3g can grow is to combine itself with the smart phones market. IMO within 5 years the vast majority of mobs are going to be like an improved p800. People want a phone, pda, game system, video phone, web browser, mp3, video player with a touch screen all in one and if the 3g guys see this then they can make the handsets that we all want.
I think the best way to go is to have a modular phone. Eg. you buy a very small handset that's just a normal mob. then you can buy attachable modules that do all the stuff you want like pda screen, gps, mp3, camera etc and all these things attach the the primary module (the phone) so you can buy exactly what you need. And if you are in the office you can have everything attached, if you are out in the pub you just need to take the phone module with you.
They could be various discounts if you buy various modules so the price is not too high. And people would want to stick with the phone because you can always release new improved modules with different designs.... I think it is genius...
What do you think?
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Posted: 2003-08-29 10:31:37
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@epscilon
I'm not so sure if your idea is that great mate, sorry if I sound negative, but I'm not having a go just for the sake of it. I do agree with you in so far as to say that people will start to expect a lot more from their 'phones', they will be come much more than phones.
However, the idea of 'clip on modules' is a bit much for most people to take. Imagine sitting on the bus and suddenly remembering you forgot your mp3 player module so you can't listen to any music, or your in the office and you remember that the module that holds your presentation is in fact stuck down the side of your car outside, et cetera.
The way forward is the P800 example, multi-tasking units. A single device that is a phone, PDA, movie player, music player, dishwasher, tea maker, and any of the daft things people will be screaming for in five year's time. And the bugger will be small too, the Western mindset likes small gadgets, tiny little devices that are awkward to use and get lost easily.
Eventually I can see a time of super interconnectivity, where any device will be able to interact with another. You know the score, point your 'phone' at the fridge and the fridge will tell your phone that you are down to your last two eggs, all without you moving the four feet to the fridge and making the herculean effort to prize the fridge door open to check.
Isn't technology marvellous?
One last reason not to have modules; it would create another bloody craze of collecting things amongst bratty children with high piched voices, and force any sane adult to cringe everytime they couldn't get one.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 10:48:05
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@Kaz man:
No offense, but what I do know of Voda is that they still havent got a viable 3G network. And if 3's having trouble with it, believe you me Voda will too.
@epscilon:
RE smart phones: Look for the A920 just announced by 3. It's a UIQ, Stylus drivent video phone "a la p800" with some very nice features. Unfortunately it's still a bit too chunky for my taste and I'm not a huge fan of Moto's industrial design.
@All
Bit of trivia: The reason 3G phones are currently so BIG is that no one had developed an integrated GPRS/3G chipset at time of manufacturing. So what you essentially have inside is 2 phones pasted together!
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Posted: 2003-08-29 10:58:37
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@Scots_boyuk
Very good points mate, I didn't think of it like that really. I guess it would be much better to have everything in one module if you look at it that way. People may see it as carrying more around than they need.
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Hopefully the 3g makers will take some of these opinons as I am sure other people have them and maybe produce something we all want.
I think a pocket pc phone with video capability would definatly be something I would buy.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 11:14:18
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Its the way things are going, they've been going that way for decades. People like gadgets, but what they want is a Swiss Army Knife of a gadget, a device that will allow them to do it all.
Of course this leaves the manufacturers with a massive problem ... how do you fit a tool for getting stones out of horse's hooves onto a tiny little phone?
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Posted: 2003-08-29 11:22:47
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@Roamerick
I looked at 3 to see what speed of data transmission they offered. I thought they should be faster than GPRS. BUT NO - as far as I can tell no high speed internet service is provided. For me a handset with high speed data on a 3g network with the option to switch to WiFi would be ideal.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 13:54:06
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One word! Betamax! Superior in every way to VHS, but VHS hit the market running, was cheaper, looked better and ultimately succeeded!
3G phones will only succeed if they work at least as good as 2.5G phones, look as good, cost the same or less and more operators move over to it giving folk choice.
I like the concept, but the only time i'd want to see the person i was talking to would be if i phoned a call center and the operator sounded fit! So to be honest its a total gimmick! Afterall the main reason a lot of users use their mobile is because its impersonal.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 13:55:06
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Hey cheers for your opinion guys.
You have got to think this is very advance technology for the general public and most people are scared of it so wont touch it with a barge pole. If 3 dont go backrupt in the next 5-6 years then they will be sorted, by then most of the uk should have a vidoe phone. It will just take a long time for the public to get used to the idea that all.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 16:25:40
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@Jah:
Give it time, within the next few of months (prob with a 3rd party browser) you'll be able to happily start surfing at 384Kbps, which is what 3G is rated at. The network just needs to stabilise, and the data pipeline (i.e. the internal series of boxes and servers a bit of data has to go through to get to you following a request) needs to be optimised.
Like I said: new tech, teething troubles. Nothing new.
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Posted: 2003-08-29 17:24:03
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