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"and make your music sound worse than an AM radio! Why anyone would even think of streaming MP3s over Bluetooth is incomprehensible."
Eh? Apart from the comment about battery life, what's the problem with streaming audio over BT?
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Posted: 2003-11-07 11:12:17
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Gunn,
I hear the points you're making but you miss a couple of key ones, before I mention them let me tell you what I know.
I've been using Pocket PCs for a very long time and I'm now using an iPAQ 5450 with WiFi/BT. Whilst it was a great device I was still having to carry around my T68i. Then along came my P800 and the iPAQ simply collects dust now. For me there is very little the P800 does not do that the iPAQ did - the main one used to abe London Tube map but now Visual IT have done that for the P800.
Now the two main points are......
1) Form factor - The P800 whilst chunky for a phone is small, very small for a PDA/Phone/Camera. One device I use for work M-F and down the pub at weekends - ideal.
2) Battery - I get about 90 mins out of my iPAQ which means it's useless to pick up my emails after a one hour train journey and a little more playing with it. The P800 would at least serve a long working day and still have some juice left but I accept composing replies is much harder with the fiddly pop-up keyboard on the P800
Naturally it's horses for course but comparing an iPAQ with a P800 is like comparing a Smart car with a BMW 5-series. They're both great cars but depends on what you plan to use them for!
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Posted: 2003-11-07 11:45:47
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@jomni1:
The bluetooth doesn't have to be just in the car. The point is the P800 and P900 have BT profiles missing which is a shortcoming. The T-610 has them for God's sake! Therefore that is a deficiency in the phone.
And Sony Ericsson have designed these phones in a way that programmers can't write fax software for them. If an ancient brick like the Nokia Communicator has fax software why can't SE's P's?
Most networks support fax by the way, unless you live somewhere like Mozambique!
The P's are incomplete phones tailored to appeal to those seeking gimmicks rather than functional phones hence the order of the icons, communicorder, pictures, video...
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Posted: 2003-11-08 06:24:20
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@Omar, Nice point about the icons, shame its wrong, starting with flip on, my p900 icons read (from left to right)
call list,phonebook,messages,calender,applications
Then with flip off/open, STARTING FROM THE TOP(very top)
phone,phone book,messages,calender,file man, apps
Seems to me its YOU thats just looking at the fun/games apps
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Posted: 2003-11-08 06:44:13
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Ru... have you even HEARD how bad regular voice calls sound over Bluetooth vs a wired handsfree???
A regular voice call hits about 11kHz frequency range, and about 60-90++ kbps data rate. An mp3 is 44kHz, and at least 128kbps.
Yes, Bluetooth is made to hit over 1Mbps data so it's
theoretically possible to stream 128kbps MP3s no problem... but that's assuming perfect transmission conditions:
-no other radio signals in the areas... natural or artificial
-close range (less than 0.3 meter)
-maximum power on both devices
-line of sight
The Bluetooth spec of 10meters, 1Mbps, non-line of sight are inversely related... meaning you cannot be 10 meters away, get 1Mbps, and have a wall between the devices... it's one of the 3 or anything in between. Given the extremely low power of Bluetooth, I think we've all noticed that even our clothing can hamper Bluetooth's range & data rate.
If Bluetooth chokes on a regular voice (mono) call... what more on a high data rate, stereo MP3???
Just to give you an idea how this MP3 player would sound... just download or re-encode an MP3 down to about 32-48kbps.
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Posted: 2003-11-08 06:49:16
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Don't SE have a bluetooth MP3 player out at the moment? The headphones double up as a handsfree kit for your phone. I think it is on their website somewhere, certainly in the CPW brochure as I am looking at it right now.
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Posted: 2003-11-08 07:37:09
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@jplacson
nice one
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Posted: 2003-11-08 07:56:46
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to Teamedition
I used to use Nokia 5510, which have qwerty keyboard on it. Writing sms can be very fast comparing to virtual keyboard nor letter handwriting P800/P900 has.
I need fax ability also on my mobile device so I don't have to wait till I reach office or home to receive it or asking someone to read my fax.
About Wifi, it will be cheaper for me to connect to internet @ some wifi spots than connecting to GPRS.
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Posted: 2003-11-08 11:05:14
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I think the only BT mp3 player that SE have released is one which has its own memory for storing mp3's, basically a stand alone mp3 player, but it can also be paired with a device and used as a BT headset too.
Bit expensive though.
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Posted: 2003-11-08 19:50:57
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gunn, putting a real keyboard on the P800/900 would make it as clunky and as f-ugly as the Nokia 9xxx Commun...er...refrigerator series. The whole point of handwriting recognition is to eliminate a clunky keyboard in order to make a device portable.
The Nokia 5510 may have a qwerty keyboard... but it does have a pathetically small screen. It's kinda pointless to have a keyboard to surf easier, but have a small screen so taht you can't see what you're surfing to begin with.
If they placed a small keyboard, then people would complain that the keys were too small and the keyboard was useless... blah blah blah...
Fax? I agree SE should've included this feature as well... but seriously, in this day and age????? I haven't used a fax in years!!!! It's blurry, slow, inaccurate, and black & white.... why would you send a fax when email is a whole lot faster and more reliable??!?! But anyway, that's just me...and like I said, SE should've added this... even if just to be backwards compatible with archaic systems.
If you want a big screen, keyboard and fax... why not get the Nokia Refrigerator? It seems to fit the needs of people who complain about the P800 not having a keyboard and fax.
(this is not directed at you gunn, just some observations I've made reading a lot of recent posts regarding the P800/900)
To this day, I can't understand why people get phones that do not fit their needs (I'm assuming they can read the features on the box) ... why get a hybrid PDA style phone if you KNOW that you want a keyboard.... and why get a phone that clearly states that it doesn't have faxing capabilities (se stated this very clearly...now if your dealer led you to believe otherwise...then kill your dealer...
) why even bother with the P800/900? Or even worse... why get a big phone like the P800/900 and complain about the size after the purchase?!??! Funny how some people believe that they are forced to buy these phones... no ONE phone has everything that everyone wants.... mainly cuz it's economically impossible...and sometimes just cuz some people are never happy..period... or just unreasonable... "I want a 4-inch screen... but I want my phone to be only 2-inches tall"
unless they invent a 15" screen laptop that double as a celfone, that can shrink itself down to the size of a matchbook, that has a 30-day standby time, and 15-day talk time, that weighs 1 gram, 1-terabyte storage, 7.1 channel surround, can play 3-D games, surf at T1 speeds, built-in 3-chip CCD HD video camera, 10MP still camera with flash, and costs only US$10... there will still be complaints... actually...even if they did make something like this... there would still be people complaining...and complaining...and complaining... oh well...
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Posted: 2003-11-08 21:10:57
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