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arnoldc we are talking about a bug on this ericssons that makes our sms being shorter than 70 characters sometimes we can never go to a normal 160 cha. not even when you have it as long message or short sms so sometimes we pay for more than one sms, and in 70 cha. you really can not tell to much,I used to have before my T68 with R1B and europe zone 1 language and no problem at all,now with R1C and europe zone2 lang.pack including Spanish and English this bug came out, any solution on this bug? regards.
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Posted: 2002-01-05 16:01:00
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On 2002-01-05 16:01, jucame wrote:
... europe zone2 lang.pack including Spanish and English this bug came out, any solution on this bug? regards.
Once again, it is not bug, it is intention. You want T9 in Spanish? Then your SMS is long 70 characters and the receiver can see those spanish characters as you have written them.
With Nokia you write 160 chars, send and the receiver gets something else (7bit charset).
Just try and switch the T9 to english - and you have 160 chars per SMS with T9.
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Posted: 2002-01-05 16:10:00
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Yes jimak you are right if you used T9 in english is ok for 160 char. but that did not happen on all my Nokias ever, so, why on Ericssons? , still do not get the idea that because I used spanish for example can not send 160 normal charac.sms,somebody has to change this on T39 and/orT68.
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Posted: 2002-01-05 16:45:00
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On 2002-01-05 16:45, jucame wrote:
Yes jimak you are right if you used T9 in english is ok for 160 char. but that did not happen on all my Nokias ever, so, why on Ericssons? , still do not get the idea that because I used spanish for example can not send 160 normal charac.sms,somebody has to change this on T39 and/orT68.
The GSM standard says that Spanish is a language requiring special charset.
For example there are "í" and "á" characters in many words. An you cannot get these with 7 bit SMS charset. What Nokia does is, when you write "indício" or "sábado" in your SMS, it will send "indicio" or "sabado", which the receiver probably doesn't mind and you think Nokia is cool.
If you send the same words from Ericsson, the receiver will get it correctly, with the interpunction. But for this you pay by getting the SMS length of 70 characters
Maybe it makes you angry, because Spanish is close to English and you can write on english keyboard on PC without problems. But try to write some SMS in Russian/Hebrew/Greek and you will see ...
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Posted: 2002-01-05 20:29:00
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Hello!
Well,I am from greece(and as the prv person mentioned greek language has many special chars) and I can definitely tell you whats going on with this "bug".
Well,the standart GSM chars DO include CAPITAL greek chars but NOT the small ones. What nokias do is simple. they let you write using small chars but when u send the msg the nokia phone automatically tranforms all small chars to CAPITALS and so u can send 160chars/msg. What ericssons do is that they send the msg with the small char set and as a result only 70chars/msg is possible(in some casses its better. Using capital letters all the time can be definetely annoying).
T68 is the only phone with greek T9. But it can only be used with small chars. This is the prob with T9 in ericssons. If it used capital chars there would be no prob,but it doesn't. This prob doesn't occur in english cause small english charset IS THE ONLY ONE supported by the standart GSM alphabet.
To sum up, this IS NOT A BUG. It's the T9 philosophy choosed by Ericsson.
Papajohn
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Posted: 2002-01-05 21:48:00
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Well papajohn thanks for you very exact exposition on T9 by Ericsson ,I must say then that I do not like the phylosophy of this co. that makes us Spanish,french,portuguese etc. pay more for a sms, usually 3 of them as a normal one of 160 char., Nokia did well, who cares about accents and good writing in "sms hurry situation" but we do care for paying for more sms, or, not using the T9 and spend more time writing, not so good for such an expensive mobile, regards.
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Posted: 2002-01-05 23:15:00
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U people is Sweeden,DO U LISTEN TO US????
...I dont think so
Papajohn
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Posted: 2002-01-06 12:59:00
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Yeah!!! papajohn!!! I used to live a couple of years in Sweden(Ericsson) and Finland(Nokia) and even in this they are so diferent one country to the other, come on Swedish friends;-) think about your more "sunny" neighbours, and I am not talking `bout the display that with daylight you do not see nearly nothing:-?regards.
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Posted: 2002-01-06 15:21:00
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@Jucame
I don’t really understand your problems...?!?
First, in really bright daylight, I think our T68 is the best mobile I had to see what on the screen. Do you have the problem with or without the backlight...??
Then, I don’t know how do you use the accent in spanish... but with T9 in french, if I write the word "bientôt" (soon) or "même" (even), I just have to press once the "0" and I have on the screen the word "bientot" or "meme", without the accent... and I can write SMS up to 160 character without any problem at all...?!? The only big problem I have, is the fact that I have to type about three times more for the same word, compare to my old Siemens S35i...!!!
For example, in french, we use quite a lot the word "c’est" (english translation : it’s)
With the Siemens S35i, I had to press :
- 2 once (result on the screen : à)
- "dot" once (result on the screen : c’)
- 3 once (result on the screen : c’d)
- 7 once (result on the screen : c’es)
- 8 once (result on the screen : c’est) and that’s all !
Total keys pressed : 5
Now with the T68 :
- 2 once (result on the screen : à)
- 0 three times (result on the screen : c)
- # once (result on the screen : c.)
- 0 five times (result on the screen : c’)
- 3 once (result on the screen : c’d)
- 7 once (result on the screen : c’es)
- 8 once (result on the screen : c’est)
Total keys pressed : 13
That’s really a huge difference for a simple word like this one !! And in french, we use the apostrophe very often...
Rolud
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Posted: 2002-01-06 16:22:00
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Well rolud, thing is that in daylight really I have had mobiles where I can see better what is going on, T68 works better with interior lights as buildings and so on and there is the best I ever new, on T9, in spanish you cannot write 160 char. sms as you can do in french, that with ,longest ones are of around 60 to 70 char.very annoying and expensive detail, what I am doing till someday that is fixed is no T9 on my long sms,regards. :D
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Posted: 2002-01-06 21:46:00
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