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amagab wrote:
As discussed in earlier threads the manufacturers and providers work differently here in the US. It's not the stores fault that they don't have new models. To start off with, SonyEricsson waits with launching new models in the US until all bugs have been fixed and when the providers can give 100% support.
Bullshit. I bought a T610 as a backup about 2 months ago and it still has serious Bluetooth issues in addition to other, less problematic bugs.
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amagab wrote:
Europe spent a whole lot money on their 3G network. US providers are more cautious and tries to avoid getting in deep debt before launching 3G. However, on the other hand, non-GSM providers do have 3G up and running for quite some time now.
There are two 3G networks operational in the US, and both have been in place for about 6 months now. AT&T Wireless has a UTMS network running in 6 US markets, and Verizon Wireless has a EV-DO network in 14 markets. Neither network has been running for "quite some time".
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Posted: 2004-10-28 19:38:44
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Mobile phones (Cell phones for the Americans) are used very differently in the US to the UK
I travel to the US every year (Florida) and find that its not down to the networks at all regarding mobile phones.
At present GSM is growing and is growing at a fast rate in the US. The problem is that the US have a different was of using phones to Europe and at present new features are starting to take shape. The use of PTT (Push Talk Service) (Use your phones like walkie talkies)service that they have had for years, Europe has only just started to get it
(Orange in the UK is using on certain phones)
SMS was a problem in the US as sending a text across to another network was virtualy impossible, there was no standardisation in the software that the networks used.
GSM is still patchy but vastly improved than 2 years ago and hopefully better when i go again in a few weeks from my last visit.
The US took the CDMA route, which is widely available in the US and is 100% proof network, but thats where it ends. Not many in the world took to the CDMA route and now about 85-95% of the world uses GSM.
GSM is still in its early stages in the US, but has come on in leaps and bounds. From the last figuers GSM has now started to overtake CDMA and other wireless technologies.
However convincing people that the new services and products are better than the old ones (which work fine and are not broken) is very hard.
Also the US didnt take the route like the rest of the world on the standard 900mhz and 1800mhz freq. The us are not able to use these as they are already in use by the goverment. So 1900mhz was the new freq. Then came the 850mhz Freq
At present 1900mhz freq is the most common in the us. 850mhz is again very new, however Motorola being American company has Quad band phones which enables to use any way on the GSM networks.
The european phones have taken a slighly different approach and have only investead in Tri bands handsets.
The european phone manufactures are not investing much in the US as at present as there is not much call on them. This will change with in the next year when 3G (UTMS) and more US Telcoms switch over to GSM.
One thing i do like though. When i first went to the US with my camera phone and when i was taking pictures on it. I could have sold my phone 50 times to people.
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Posted: 2004-10-29 01:55:14
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I knew the usa had many people way behind with education,and dietary education,but never thought they would be technologically behind also!
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Posted: 2004-10-29 02:58:30
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@k700nut
Behind in education? What exactly do you mean?
@all
I suppose that the next logical question might be whethe ror not the U.S. has the capability to take the lead from Europe (ignore Japan/Korea for the moment as they are so far in advance of either Europe or America
) in terms of mobile technology? 3G would seem like a good opportunity to do so.
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Posted: 2004-10-29 17:49:23
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@ledson
the funny thing is bush stopped the anti trust suit against MS but as far as i know bill gates isn't a bush supporter. Most of the huge business magnates in america (warren buffett, george soros) are actually john kerry supporters.
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Posted: 2004-10-29 18:22:49
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On 2004-10-28 19:38:44, richy240 wrote:
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amagab wrote:
As discussed in earlier threads the manufacturers and providers work differently here in the US. It's not the stores fault that they don't have new models. To start off with, SonyEricsson waits with launching new models in the US until all bugs have been fixed and when the providers can give 100% support.
Bullshit. I bought a T610 as a backup about 2 months ago and it still has serious Bluetooth issues in addition to other, less problematic bugs.
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amagab wrote:
Europe spent a whole lot money on their 3G network. US providers are more cautious and tries to avoid getting in deep debt before launching 3G. However, on the other hand, non-GSM providers do have 3G up and running for quite some time now.
There are two 3G networks operational in the US, and both have been in place for about 6 months now. AT&T Wireless has a UTMS network running in 6 US markets, and Verizon Wireless has a EV-DO network in 14 markets. Neither network has been running for "quite some time".
Your T610 bluetooth might be faulty. Whatever the case is, you can can support from your provider.
Sprint and Verizon have had their 3G networks running since year 2002.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 01:14:57
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It could in part be solved if the handset makers started going quad band alot more than they are now. At least then people would have the choice of travelling with a little more ease. "Tri Band" only goes so far to ease that burden and really how hard can it be implement?
I wished the P910 had come in quad band but at least the US is getting its own version of that.
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retail directly in the US? if not then it's probably the same situation as here in NZ, new models depend on the operators taking them up and releasing them. (Customised or not) Here we basically have Vodafoen or GSM, because of the various models the Z200 was never released here because it really wouldn't be a marker earner for them. Pity its a great little phone imo.
Don't expect a storeperson to have a clue though.
They don't here even though they usually have dummy models of the phone. Most of the time to they talk to support staff or websites and then just bark it back to you. you really have to go to a far more specialist store for people that have any idea. (Usually their business data stores etc)
@scots: (wheres my toast!) I'd suspect that if the US got behind the idea process more and that their focus of phone use is different to Europe/Elsewhere, they'd probably bring more ideas to different areas of the phone rather than over take. But then do any of the major comapnies have R&D depts based in both Europe and the US?
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Posted: 2004-10-31 04:32:57
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@Gigs
I think SE do and I agree with you regarding bringing more ideas to the table. The U.S. needs to find its own angle, jus as Europe and Asia have
P.S. You can have French toast.
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Posted: 2004-10-31 04:40:04
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On 2004-10-24 22:47:29, ledson wrote:
Funny how Standardization is what has made Europe & Asia pull ahead in the Phone tech world, but when it comes to Microsoft trying to Standardize computing, it's "evil"!
Let the flame wars begin!
Luke
Are you kidding? Microsoft bastardizes standards on a regular basis.
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Posted: 2004-11-01 22:31:23
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it is very simple. Average American, doesnt want new tech. Noone cares about MMS, colors etc. Rules are simple, something that works all the time, and it has to be cheap. Who cares about p910, when you can get nokia 33xx for free. Here we are shopping for 1000 whenever minutes deals, and then just grab phone that comes with the service. How else do you explain all those lovely nokia 5100. Now why are we pushing our networs in Iraq when all countries in 10,000 miles radius have GSM i have no clue, ask Bush.
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Posted: 2004-11-01 23:18:14
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