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i think there should be a political thread and a religious thread. let people voice their opinions, and if it starts delibeatly offending people, lock it down. also if there are to be any more of these threads someone should put a warning somewhere in there about what the topic is about and people might be offended by other peoples views. if anyone starts deliberately causing trouble ban them.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:49:22
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There should be a separate forum, or they should be banned.
Laffen, you said it yourself, its a mobile phone forum, however you have changed things because of what is best for the community. But political threads and religious threads are not good for the community. Monday was a physical example of how political fanatics can ruin friendships, take threads of course and cause dispute between members.
If you want to discuss politics, you should either go to a new forum, or sticky, that laffen should create, or go here:
www.politicsforum.org
regards
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Posted: 2005-07-13 14:58:08
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Personally I agree with BobaFett, this is a mobile phone forum and I don't see any place for intense political or religious discussion on it.
Of course the reality is different. I am all for such issues being discussed here if they can be kept out of the way and conducted with a modicum of civility and decorum. However, as meths pointed out, it would appear to be the same people over and over again who simply do not seem capable of respecting the opinions of others. We see political statements spreading out into other threads and sometimes one is worried about mentioning something because one imagines that someone will use it to make a political point.
I might very well be an opinionated pompous gasbag who likes the sight of his own typing, but I can also appreciate a spot of fun too. Non-mobile threads can entertain us; they can inform us; they can interest us, etc. However, non-mobile topics such as politics and religion invariably seem to lead to flaming and bitterness. I don't see that as being conductive to Esato's 'community spirit'.
If these issues are to be discussed on Esato, which is still ostensibly a mobile phone forum, then can they at least be contained? Can political arguments and snide political comments be kept to dedicated threads please? Must every thread that happens to mention something that someone with a politcal drum to bang disagrees with be dragged off-topic and into an argument?
As I see it we have three feasible options:
Maintain the status quo
Ban political/religious discussion
Allow political/religious discussion, but with some sort of limiting factor or pre-set conditions
I come to Esato for mobile phones and a spot of fun; a bit of escapism if you will. I do not come to see political grandstanding.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:09:27
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Why can't people who do not like Political discussions avoid those threads altogether?..If you only visit esato for Mobile news and discussion then esato is the best place on the internet for this.If your regular members here and don't like forum hopping,then esato is the place for all other non-mobile related topics aswell.However i am for better moderation of Political threads and their should be tighter control on these subjects as we have seen in the last few days it can easily be ruined by people who have no interest in the subject.So political and Religious threads should be only for members who have interest in the subject and can make a positive contribution otherwise they should be banned from particpating in that thread.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:25:36
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On 2005-07-13 14:03:19, methylated_spirit wrote:
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I tend to stay away from political threads, generally, its not my bag to be honest. But, I think political threads should stand. If we stop these threads because they are "non-mobile" what about threads like "on the couch with scotsboyuk" and "miss copperfields chat about anything thread" and, of course, practically ALL my threads! If you start saying "you cant create political threads, its a mobile site" then surely, all the other non-mobile related topics have to go too? I know you are talking about flame wars, people arguing, etc, which a lot of these other threads i've mentioned aren't conducive to, but, its a community forum, as has been mentioned a few times, and, whether you are of a political bent or not, as part of the esato community, you have to respect that other members are. Of course, these threads do have a tendency to escalate into full scale vitriolic hatred at times, but cutting them out of esato? I reckon thats maybe a little drastic. Esato is a rich place, with intelligent, open minded people from across the world, and its good to hear these peoples opinions on a wide variety of topics.
And I would like to add this:
After the incidents over the last couple of days, it seems to me to be a handful of members, probably half a dozen, who seem incapable of discussing something controversial or "political" without starting some sort of trouble. The majority are able to discuss their views in a reasonable, adult manner. IMHO some members need to grow up. We dont need to ban conversations on certain subjects, its the (extremely) vocal minority who need to be told to cool it with their attidudes towards people who disagree with them.
If you tend to stay away then you cant really comment on how they have affected you.
When it says 'political threads' , i/we, mean, threads intended for a large political discussion with two arguments.
And you say a handful of members? You are one of those! I am sorry, i must say on Monday me and axxxr were too, but you were aswell. Political threads make everyone to be the enemy, i used to LIKE axxxr! I used to respect him, but now, but now, because he and others cant accept someone disagreeing in one of his many 'bush hating' threads we see the true man come out. In all of us.
I think its psychological. This is a place of fun, should be a place of relaxation, a community. Keep politics to the real world, i dont come here for fierce discussions. Meths, your post, i cannot accept as valid. you said it yourself, you do not get involved so how can you comment.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:28:40
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:40:24
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A new rule should be brought in, people that try to provoke a reaction from someone in a number of differant threads should be banned, its simply causing threads to be ruined and i for one am bored of it
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:50:51
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I truly want political threads to be banned. Its not about reactions, its about being able to get along, to escape into forums without seeing 'terrorism' or the word 'george bush' or 'tony blair' blah blah littered everywhere.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 15:55:11
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Its not about getting reactions??...
http://www.esato.com/board/viewtopic.php?topic=97869
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Posted: 2005-07-13 16:03:03
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On 2005-07-13 15:50:51, DJcreamz wrote:
A new rule should be brought in, people that try to provoke a reaction from someone in a number of differant threads should be banned, its simply causing threads to be ruined and i for one am bored of it
An excellent point. There is too much of this silly baiting and pettiness going on.
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Posted: 2005-07-13 16:03:24
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