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I cant stand all these protests going on in London. I would love to catch one of these eegits smashing upm starbucks. Id give them a real hiding too. At the end of the day both sides have commited murder. I mean Hamas are a terrorist group for gods sake. Does the cause justify the actions? No never.
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Posted: 2009-01-19 21:21:01
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Just a reminder here......
We will all die one day
we ain't here forvever
The truth will be revealed on the day of Judgement
for which i cannot wait.
edit: Who's a terrorist you decide:
Israel 13 dead
Gaza 1321 dead + a few thousand injured/wounded
Bavlondon, stop talking shit.
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Posted: 2009-01-19 23:29:23
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@ Bavlondon
Without Hamas, every Palestinian would be dead. If someone comes to your doorstep to take your house and kill your family, what would you do? The Palestinian kids go to fight with stones, to save their land and protect whats left of their families. This is not like getting mugged in London, people are being buried under their homes.
All this stuff about terrorism, extremism and fundamentalism is all media hype. What does the word fundamentalist mean? Someone who follows the laws and beliefs exactly so does that make a Nun a fundamentalist? Is Jesus an extremist because he followed the word of God?
The human is only different to an animal in terms of intelligence, so if people don't use their brains they are simply animals. Learn the history of this war, use your eyes to see the truth.
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Posted: 2009-01-19 23:57:40
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On 2009-01-19 21:21:01, bavlondon2 wrote:
I cant stand all these protests going on in London. I would love to catch one of these eegits smashing upm starbucks. Id give them a real hiding too. At the end of the day both sides have commited murder. I mean Hamas are a terrorist group for gods sake. Does the cause justify the actions? No never.
you have no clue what your saying. what israel is doing to the palestinians is nothing short of mass murder and genocide. As for hamas they are in no way terrorists they are people who are left with no choice as the previous member mentioned what would you do if someone broke into your home took your property and murdered your family? the conflict there has been complicated by the america this could all end if they stop the supply of arms to israel so america is as much to blame for whats going on over there.
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Posted: 2009-01-20 00:46:39
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Well i really can't believe just how many Muslim extremists appear to be harboring @Esato with so much hate i suggest you go on a Jihad and catch a nice American made bullet so you can get your how ever many virgins it is your promised.
Lets get some simple points straight HAMAS are a TERRORIST organisation that wants the destruction of Israel. It fires rockets into residential areas with no Military presence to target civilians in a attempt to kill and instill terror and has done over the last couple of years. This is not a one off new attack but sustained and now Israel has decided enough is enough and they will stop it. Now some of you are surprised Israel would retaliate why i ask? To have stopped the conflict well before it escalated into full military action was easy all HAMAS had to do was stop firing rockets into Israel so blame HAMAS for what is happening.
The reason why their are civilian casualties is because HAMAS are cowards and hide amongst civilians and fire rockets from these locations knowing full well Israel will retaliate and end up injuring their own people but just don't care as want to use the press generated for their own good. Maybe some of you should see the hate that is preached to the young in Palestine that Bav appears to have witnessed to see where this circle of hate and violence stems from in reality. HAMAS and the Palestinians are not innocent and doing nothing and being attacked are they? No they are firing Rockets into Israel explain the justification for that then amongst all the lies.
One of the reasons the Palestinian people have so little is due to the major corruption and funds that disappear along with how much they waste on arms and rockets. Think how much food and medicine could be bought with money wasted on munitions.
Finally just what would the British Government do if Rockets where being fired from Wales into England? Just take it and do nothing i doubt it in fact name any Country that would have continued Rocket attacks at it's civilian population and do nothing i bet you can't.
Now for some of you like QVGA Guantanmo Bay is to good for terrorist racist SCUM like you.
Oh and thanks for the laugh about the great jewish conspiracy running all the worlds money and even funnier the USA as that is just so pathetic it's hysterical.
Marc
[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2009-01-20 11:30 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-20 11:35:18
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Let's get this straight, Hamas are trying to reclaim their land, something any man would do if he had pride, dignity, and wanted to protect his country for the future generations of his family.
Motives are understandable, methods perhaps less so, Israel is a country wracked by vile hatred of Arabs and Muslims, their lives mean nothing to the average Jew, so don't lets hear any more garbage about how innocent the Israeli nation is!!
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Posted: 2009-01-20 11:46:45
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@MWEB
What a load of rubbish HAMAS are a Terrorist organisation to claim other wise is absurd everyone knows it and is why most Governments don't have diplomatic relations with them and that is fact.
HAMAS don't won't to live in peace as they can't make any money that way and they are the ones that constantly fire rockets into civilian populations to get a reaction and instill terror. Again this is fact and can not be denied after 4 years of continuous attack Israel decided to stop it. They have targeted the weapon smuggling tunnels and the places rockets are fired from which is amongst the Palestinian population schools and homes as HAMAS are cowards and want their civilians injured for the propaganda they can get of it.
If they didn't fire rockets none of this would be happening so please explain why then HAMAS the people that openly want the destruction of Israel and fire rockets on them are innocent then and not the terrorists that they are.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2009-01-20 11:14 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-20 12:02:45
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Hi MWEB
Just in case you don't believe me try checking out some facts about HAMAS which can be found here
http://www.cfr.org/publication/8968/#1
as maybe then you will know what you are talking about. But here is a little extract from the first page for you to consider.
What is Hamas?
Hamas is the largest and most influential Palestinian militant movement. In January 2006, the group won the Palestinian Authority's (PA) general legislative elections, defeating Fatah, the party of the PA's president, Mahmoud Abbas, and setting the stage for a power struggle. Since attaining power, Hamas has continued its refusal to recognize the state of Israel, leading to crippling economic sanctions. Historically, Hamas has sponsored an extensive social service network. The group has also operated a terrorist wing, carrying out suicide bombings and attacks using mortars and short-range rockets. Hamas has launched attacks both in the Palestinian territories of the West Bank and Gaza Strip, and inside the pre-1967 boundaries of Israel. In Arabic, the word "hamas" means zeal. But it's also an Arabic acronym for "Harakat al-Muqawama al-Islamiya," or Islamic Resistance Movement.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2009-01-20 11:16 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-20 12:07:01
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Anyone who is not blind, dumb or stupid, who has watched the recent events on TV will be quite aware as to where to apportion blame, the stats below given by PK tell it how it really is.
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Posted: 2009-01-20 12:15:49
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Hi MWEB
Well here some more background info for you and Oh yeah because we all believe everything we see on TV don't we as how could they not be right Oh please.
I notice no comment or explanation of why the Terrorists are firing Rockets into Israel and are just so innocent then?
Here you go some more info in case you haven't read what's at the link.
"Since coming to power in Gaza, rockets fired from the Hamas enclave have consistently landed on Israeli cities near the border, sometimes producing casualties. Israel consistently alleged that Iranian and other weapons were being smuggled into Gaza through a series of tunnels, and with Egypt maintained tight control on the enclaves borders. International aid agencies say this led to severe shortages. A six-month ceasefire calmed things somewhat in 2008, but toward the end of the year, Hamas called off the truce and resumed firing rockets into Israel. The response was an air assault in late December and, in the first week of 2009, a full blown Israeli invasion of the territory."
Hm so it really is HAMAS at fault as they called off the ceasefire and started firing Rockets once again into Israel. Now if they hadn't done that none of this would be happening now would it? As for this well it says it all really doesn't it
" What does Hamas believe and what are its goals?
Hamas combines Palestinian nationalism with Islamic fundamentalism. Its founding charter commits the group to the destruction of Israel, the replacement of the PA with an Islamist state on the West Bank and Gaza, and to raising "the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine." Its leaders have called suicide attacks the "F-16" of the Palestinian people. Hamas believes "peace talks will do no good," said the Hamas leader Abd al-Aziz Rantisi in April 2004. "We do not believe we can live with the enemy."
So just why should Israel allow them to fire Rockets at their civilian population and do nothing as i seem to have missed the justification for not taking any action to defend their citizens from those that want to destroy it and are not even interested in seeking peace. Now that's what makes them terrorists along with the atrocities of suicide bombers.
Marc
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[ This Message was edited by: Dogmann on 2009-01-20 11:35 ]
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Posted: 2009-01-20 12:26:22
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