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On 2007-07-02 21:56:13, arien617 wrote:
Shite thing is for Shisha Bars. People go to pubs to drink and shisha bars to smoke. I mean WTF?! The ban can't enforced there!
... Seems it can...
Just read this on al jazeera:
http://english.aljazeera.net/[....]DEE-4B2E-BC81-D01DE4A14634.htm
pathetic...like here in rural ireland: the only "entertainment" a lot of isolated-living old folks have is their weekly bingo night in a community hall in the middle of nowhere... Heck, tell a bunch of 70-90 yr-old you gotta live healthily now, so you can't have one fun-night out! i don't know...???? Wtf! Scientists in 91 or 92 meassured air quality at an infamous intersection in Hamburg - they found that primary school kids walking to school 5 times a week crossing that junction inhaled toxins daily to the equivalent of 10-15 ciggies
talk about passive-smoke!
It's a strange hipocracy!
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Posted: 2007-07-03 00:44:39
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@maggflodd
This is what I find annoying. If you're a person in your sixties, seventies or even eighties and you have been going to the same pubs for the last 30 - 40 years to enjoy a ciggy as part of your social life, how difficult is it going to be for them to get up and hobble outside in the cold this winter. You may as well just kill them off.
I have already heard reports of several rebellions or 'light-ups' in a few pubs were I am.
I think there should be a licence for pubs that choose to allow smokers in. Everyone should have a choice, smokers and non-smokers.
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Posted: 2007-07-03 09:37:38
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some of the pubs in my town wont even allow there employees to go out side and have a fag break so it doesn't look bad on the pub that just sucks to me and i don't even smoke, the whole bad doesn't bother me as i lived in pubs most my life so got used to it,
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Posted: 2007-07-03 09:46:46
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This country has now resulted to extremism; the first government ever to place a ban on public smoking was… wait for it… Adolf Hitler's!
Now were following suit, its really starting to piss me off, we don’t have a democracy. Its dictatorship now I tell ya.
Not one death certificate exists anywhere in the world stating death as passive smoking. I have asked may people if they knew/know someone with lung cancer who didn’t smoke or didn’t get it due to there job (asbestos and that). Not one person knew anyone!
All these studies on the impacts of passive smoking are financed by pharmaceutical companies, I wonder why? Maybe so they can sell us all there nicotine patches and anti depressants (they are the ones profiting from this ban, probably giving the government a back hander too).
As early as 1975, at a UN world conference on smoking and health, the British doctor and former chief medical officer, Sir George Godber, suggested that, in order to eliminate smoking,
“it would be essential to foster an atmosphere where it was perceived that active smokers would injure those around them, especially their families and any infants or young children”
And so the research began, not to discover the scientific truth but to support a lie!
NON-SMOKERS ALSO DIE AND NOT FROM PASSIVE SMOKING
(BTW I’m a smoker who chooses not to smoke, aka an ex smoker)
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Posted: 2007-07-03 14:39:04
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Just wanted to quote (from a non smoker!) Simon Clark - Director, Freedom Organisation for the Right to Enjoy Smoking Tobacco (Forest)
"I think the smoking ban is going to have relatively little impact on public health.
"People say that 11,000 non-smokers die every year in the UK from passive smoking, and 600 of those are people who are allegedly exposed to smoke in the workplace.
"But these figures are estimates, calculations, they are not based on any hard evidence.
"If passive smoking is a risk to people's health, and it's a massive if, it's far more likely to be a risk in the home than in a well-ventilated bar or restaurant.
"And after the ban more people are going to smoke at home, so the ban could potentially make things worse.
"Of course it will help some people who wish to cut down or quit, but the reality is that very few people will.
"I don't smoke, but I'm overweight, and if I was asked, 'Do you want to lose weight?' of course I'd say yes, but that doesn't mean I'm actually going to do anything about it.
"Smokers are the same, they will often say, 'Yes I'd like to cut down a bit,' but the reality is the vast majority of them don't.
"And in Ireland, smoking rates are now exactly the same as they were before the ban there.
"So the idea that millions of people are going to give up smoking is fantasy."
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Posted: 2007-07-03 14:47:36
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seems like a good point to merge this thread back into the original
Smokers Thread since the ban is just about all that is being discussed there too
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Posted: 2007-07-03 14:55:11
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