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On 2008-09-01 12:48:30, Nitro Fan wrote:
On 2008-08-27 23:49:02, Sony α wrote:
@Soane28
Agreed all the way - with Hideki San at the helm, former head of the VAIO arm at Sony - decisions will be Sony Orientated from now, I feel as much anyhow - which is good.
Plus, Stringer and Komiyama are already well acquainted from Komiyama's past work with Sony Corp!
I have to say I feel the exact opposite, Sony are THE root cause of the appalling SW we have been subjected to. Sony have never been able to write code that was not machine resource hungry bug filled and generally hopeless.
In short I would say Sony corp have done Ericsson's reputation in the mobile phone market no end of damage I am seriously considering not buying anymore
products due to their constant delays and poor record on quality control and shoddy product build quality.
Is there
anyone on here that can prove without doubt, once and for all, that all the SW engineers and programmers are from the Sony side of the venture?
Where is this informaton coming from, will please someone just clear this up and post a link?
I was under the impression that Sony is responsible for all the phones that are sold in Japan and are actually responsible for very few phones sold outside of Japan. I'd gladly change my opinion if someone could just post any information to confirm otherwise.
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Posted: 2008-09-01 13:17:33
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On 2008-08-31 21:55:56, bart wrote:
keep in mind that design is personal.
it maybe personal, but design can also be evaluated with certain criterias. in several respects the K700 just couldn't stand up to the T610 or the T68.
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Posted: 2008-09-01 14:40:26
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From my source, K750, K800 and A100 OSE are developed by Sony and Ericsson together.
K850 and it's early A200 are developed by Ericsson solely. Sony only take a part in camera module. Camera driver developed by Ericsson guy (I forgot the names.)
Then, Sony engineers takes a part in developing next A200 R3 firmware for C902 and newer generation phones.
C905 still using Ericsson's platform which isn't fast enough to do VGA recording. Rest of development are taken by Sony.
An example of phone that developed solely by Sony is
>>SO905iCS
So we can says that "K850i vs SO905iCS" is the same with "Ericsson vs Sony."
Furthermore, Ericsson guy has stated that upcoming Walkman Devices will not featuring DSP chip.
Imagine if Sony develops it solely, there would be a variant of SO905iCS around the world. Just browse [url=http://www.sonyericsson.co.jp" target="_blank" rel="nofollow]http://www.sonyericsson.co.jp to see all phones that has been developed solely by Sony.
Compare it with SE worldwide portfolio... Decide which is better.
A good thing about Ericsson: All HSDPA, 3G and GSM radio developed solely by Ericsson. We all know the sound call quality by SE phones. It's decent.
Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-09-01 14:43 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-01 15:30:36
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@Hiron, great post. And good information..
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Posted: 2008-09-01 15:39:11
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Yeah if SO905 is any indication of what sony is capable of, then they might as well split from ericsson
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Posted: 2008-09-01 15:56:18
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@Hiron
Great post and thanks. At last some enlightenment as to who does what around here.
So if the above is true, this means that one of the most derided of recent phones - the K850i - is actually from the Ericsson stable with Sony providing the camera unit?
Go figure!
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Posted: 2008-09-01 16:01:47
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Err.. Actually Sony makes a mistakes in IMX-020 cam module (used by K850.) It utilizing smaller 2.0nm cell, because they shrink more Pixels into same sensor size compared to it's predessors, 2.2nm IMX-018 that used in K800.
Sure it has more details, but the sensitivity is sacrified due to smaller pixel, resulting a hell lot more noise. K850 camdriver by Ericsson also lacks of saturation.
But actually Sony produce this IMX-020 because of a pressure from Ericsson to providing cheap cam module as fast as possible.
At the same time, more expensive but better solution already developed: 5.1MP Exmor CMOS used in SO905iCS. Some early Sofia proto has it locally in SE *** R&D basis.
But Ericsson refuses this Exmor because the production cost doesn't meet. They instructing Sony to develop cheaper module in less than 6 month. Lack of time (knowing that K850 developed in a rush. C905 takes 11 month since rough planning until before announcement) makes Sony didn't develops IMX-020 in full effort. Everything is usually bad if you do it in a rush.
I referring a word Ericsson to SE Core Management in Lund. It's Ericsson Corp before they joins with Sony. I can say that Ericsson's people rules SE today, not Sony. Most of the decisions comes from Lund (Ericsson.)
K850 also developed in Lund. This time isn't spreaded in other R&D basis like other dev project, because it's in rush. Sony Japan provides some tech that meets SE's strict requirement. Bravia is still long wait, probably next year or postponed branding.
I referring Sony to Sony Japan and SE Japan. Let's see upcoming Mr. Komiyama's act.
And one more, I forgot where I got that info, don't ask me further.
Hiron
[ This Message was edited by: Hiron on 2008-09-01 17:53 ]
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Posted: 2008-09-01 18:48:11
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What about the sensor used in the C905 then??if you have any info...
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Posted: 2008-09-01 18:50:13
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so the walkman series lacking audio chip may be due to the same cause?since developing a walkman audio chip for a phone take time and higher cost too.
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Posted: 2008-09-01 18:55:12
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Well walkman phones have the same audio codecs as other phones. They have better media player app, named Walkman which has some extra playlist management options... Most of them are different in camera... A lot of Walkman phones are made mainly for music and their camera is not the stong side...
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Posted: 2008-09-01 22:52:18
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