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@d_a_r_k_n_e_z_z
Hmm.. a lot of the things you say, can just be turned around and then they would be bad.
For example, you've said some times now that shutting down Al jazeera is because of "psychological warfare", then you say that Al Jazeera is broadcasting Saddam's speeches, so US needs to end that.
Now do you realise what that means?
That means that you have the right to do something, that the Iraqi's don't.
If Iraq were to shut down CNN, ABC and so on.. every channel that were broadcasting Bush's speeches, how would that look?
People would directly start thinking about how evil Saddam is, that the people can't watch what they want, thats no democracy.. and so on..
Now US is invading Iraq to "bring" democracy to the country, and while doing so they shut down the only channel that can provide news that aren't directly in US favour.
Now is that democracy?
What happened in Afghanistan?
Well, one of the first targets were to shoot down the transmitter of Al Jazeera channel.
Why was this? Cause the channel were showing Bin Laden's speeches?
Is there only one side of two countries at war that should be heared?
Can't you realize the fact that the only reason of shutting down that channel is because it provides other information in war than US provides?
It's the information that is important, not Saddam or Bin Laden..
Al Jazeera shows pictures from war that US doesn't want the world to see, they shut down Al Jazeera as fast as possible, so they can control what information to provide the world with.
Sure US has done many good things, but just because your so proud of US doesn't mean you can't be critical to how it acts.
And if you continiue with your "US is only thinking about the best of others" you must realize that you are denying real facts!
When your saying that US HAS to shut down Al Jazeera because they are showing Saddam, why don't you say that no matter what US does, I will always defend her (US).
Say that youre a patriot and that you are denying true facts instead of trying to twist the facts.
You seem like an intelligent person/human being, I can't see nothing bad in you, from what I read so far from your posts..
The only thing I can't understand is how you, with all the facts you have, and how you tell others to "go read about it", can defend such a thing as shutting down a tv channel that provides views from the war.
You also mention that US is aiding the people of Iraq, and sure, they are.. but what you don't mention is that US has destroyed facilities in Iraq that are/was producing fresh water.. and that these attacks on these water facilities aren't "misstakes".
They destroy the source for fresh water, then provide some people with food and water (while having media around to film it).
Why don't you mention these things? And how do you justify them?
Same thing happened in Afghanistan.. take out the fresh-water producing facilities.. this affects all the civilian people in the village/city.. starve the people, then feed a couple in front of the cameras..same goes for pretty every war in "modern" times by the US.
I've read, AND seen on tv that in many cases in this Iraq war, when US troops has entered cities, people have been begging for food, water, medicin.. and they have gotten the reply "go to hell" or something like that, or they have been totally ignored.
Now of course it is hard to verify that this is true, and that this has happened, but if we are to believe everything else, why not this?
Now I'm not denying that US are helping many people, but I can't see how this justifies for example this unneccesary war, where it's so obvious that the people of Iraq isn't the reason.
A war where the people of Iraq (civilian people) take what guns they have, and travel to Bagdad to defend themselves.
And what Bush then says is that "it doens't matter how long it takes, but Iraq will get it's democracy"! Yeah! US troops are fighting the people of Iraq and are having major problem cause of all the civilians that are joining up to defend it's country, and we will be at war untill Iraq has it's democracy! It doensn't matter if every single person in Iraq dies while fighting agains US, cause US won't give up until they win, no matter if they are fighting Saddams soliders OR THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.
You can't deny that the reason why US and it's "allies" are having so much trouble is cause of Saddams soliders, it's cause of the unexpected resistance from the people!
Now how do you justify that.. just because US for the moment thinks someone should have demoracy, they should fight the people of that country until that goal is achieved?
I'm getting out of line here.. what I really wanted to say to you is, you seem to be a rational being.. don't deny facts just because they aren't in line with the "US-saviour" picture.
If so, state that you will always represent the goverments point of view, no matter if it's false.
Cause if you do twist facts, and deny certain things, you shouldn't really be telling other people to go read books, cause that means you belive in facts and truth..
Pace, love and understanding..
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Posted: 2003-03-29 03:17:00
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Well said Elgato. For darknezz go topple down president, n do travel a lot around the world or even better volunteer urself with the redcross in Iraq to get ur fact straight.
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Posted: 2003-03-29 06:25:00
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On 2003-03-29 03:17, ElGato wrote:
Hmm.. a lot of the things you say, can just be turned around and then they would be bad.
BUT IT CAN BE TURNED AROUND. THAT'S THE NICE THING ABOUT LANGUAGE
For example, you've said some times now that shutting down Al jazeera is because of "psychological warfare", then you say that Al Jazeera is broadcasting Saddam's speeches, so US needs to end that.
Now do you realise what that means?
That means that you have the right to do something, that the Iraqi's don't.
WRONG I DID NOT MEAN THAT BUT RIGHT TO YOU.
If Iraq were to shut down CNN, ABC and so on.. every channel that were broadcasting Bush's speeches, how would that look?
People would directly start thinking about how evil Saddam is, that the people can't watch what they want, thats no democracy.. and so on..
SADDAM CANNOT DO THAT DUE TO HE DOES NOT HAVE THE CAPACITY TO DO SO. BE REALISTIC OK
Now US is invading Iraq to "bring" democracy to the country, and while doing so they shut down the only channel that can provide news that aren't directly in US favour.
Now is that democracy?
DEMOCRACY IS OUT OF THAT TOPIC. DEMOCRACY WILL BE GIVEN TO THE IRAQI'S ONCE THE WAR IS OVER.
What happened in Afghanistan?
Well, one of the first targets were to shoot down the transmitter of Al Jazeera channel. Why was this? Cause the channel were showing Bin Laden's speeches? Is there only one side of two countries at war that should be heared?
THAT'S THE WAY IT IS AND AFGHANISTAN IS NOT YET FINISHED
Can't you realize the fact that the only reason of shutting down that channel is because it provides other information in war than US provides?
WRONG
It's the information that is important, not Saddam or Bin Laden..
Al Jazeera shows pictures from war that US doesn't want the world to see, they shut down Al Jazeera as fast as possible, so they can control what information to provide the world with.
YEAH RIGHT
Sure US has done many good things, but just because your so proud of US doesn't mean you can't be critical to how it acts.
I DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT ME BRING PROUD.
And if you continiue with your "US is only thinking about the best of others" you must realize that you are denying real facts!
YOU'RE A MIND READER HUH?
When your saying that US HAS to shut down Al Jazeera because they are showing Saddam, why don't you say that no matter what US does, I will always defend her (US).
BUT I DID NOT SAY IT SO THERE
Say that youre a patriot and that you are denying true facts instead of trying to twist the facts.
I DID NOT SAY THAT TOO
You seem like an intelligent person/human being, I can't see nothing bad in you, from what I read so far from your posts..
The only thing I can't understand is how you, with all the facts you have, and how you tell others to "go read about it", can defend such a thing as shutting down a tv channel that provides views from the war.
I AM NOT DEFENDING ANYTHING. I JUST WATCHED A TOPIC ON PSYCHOLOGICAL WARFARE ON THE DISCOVERY CHANNEL AND HOW IT WORKS.
You also mention that US is aiding the people of Iraq, and sure, they are.. but what you don't mention is that US has destroyed facilities in Iraq that are/was producing fresh water.. and that these attacks on these water facilities aren't "mistakes".
They destroy the source for fresh water, then provide some people with food and water (while having media around to film it).
Why don't you mention these things? And how do you justify them?
IT'S WAR ANYTHING GOES AND AT LEAST THEY ARE SPENDING MONEY ON AID, BETTER SOMETHING THAN NOTHING
Same thing happened in Afghanistan.. take out the fresh-water producing facilities.. this affects all the civilian people in the village/city.. starve the people, then feed a couple in front of the cameras..same goes for pretty every war in "modern" times by the US.
I've read, AND seen on tv that in many cases in this Iraq war, when US troops has entered cities, people have been begging for food, water, medicin.. and they have gotten the reply "go to hell" or something like that, or they have been totally ignored.
Now of course it is hard to verify that this is true, and that this has happened, but if we are to believe everything else, why not this?
IT'S UP TO YOU IF YOU BELIEVE IT OR NOT I DON'T CARE
Now I'm not denying that US are helping many people, but I can't see how this justifies for example this unneccesary war, where it's so obvious that the people of Iraq isn't the reason.
A war where the people of Iraq (civilian people) take what guns they have, and travel to Bagdad to defend themselves.
And what Bush then says is that "it doens't matter how long it takes, but Iraq will get it's democracy"! Yeah! US troops are fighting the people of Iraq and are having major problem cause of all the civilians that are joining up to defend it's country, and we will be at war untill Iraq has it's democracy! It doensn't matter if every single person in Iraq dies while fighting agains US, cause US won't give up until they win, no matter if they are fighting Saddams soliders OR THE PEOPLE OF IRAQ.
FOR ME THE ONLY THING TO DO IS TO STOP THE US BUT WHO CAN DO THAT.
You can't deny that the reason why US and it's "allies" are having so much trouble is cause of Saddams soliders, it's cause of the unexpected resistance from the people!
Now how do you justify that.. just because US for the moment thinks someone should have demoracy, they should fight the people of that country until that goal is achieved?
YEAH OF COURSE EVEN THE SWEDISH ARMY WILL HAVE A HARD TIME THERE
I'm getting out of line here.. what I really wanted to say to you is, you seem to be a rational being.. don't deny facts just because they aren't in line with the "US-saviour" picture.
If so, state that you will always represent the goverments point of view, no matter if it's false.
NO I DID NOT STATE ANYTHING
Cause if you do twist facts, and deny certain things, you shouldn't really be telling other people to go read books, cause that means you belive in facts and truth..
IF YOU THINK I AM TWISTING FACTS THEN SO BE IT. TO ME I HAVE NO INTENTION
Pace, love and understanding..
SAME HERE
@yeo-wrong i'm not german. if the usa wants to rule the world then they should have done that a long time ago.
@sulfuriq-hey why don't you do that yourself you thought of it.
TO EVERYBODY ELSE, OK FINE WHATEVER MAKES YOU HAPPY.
IT WOULD BE BEST TO WAIT FOR THE OUTCOME.
i won't be posting in this topic anymore for i now find it a waste of time. post what you want to post i don't care. i'm out of here for i have to get some new 25 inch wheels for my escalade. peace out ya all
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@dave_uk
Well are u sure that u r not an absolute morron too?.. Guess u r the same like Blair the asslicker for Bush. Yeah! And I don't care if my English is good or bad u totally ass coz that the only language that u can understand. Be informed with others opinion?.. What for?.. So I can be like u, a looser?. All of these crapt making stories etc etc to justify what?.. Especially when Bush telling the media that Saddam killing his own people who did not support him?.. What mumbo jumbo is that?. U r not an empire anymore dave, u r a tiny minny island who want to take for granted. That's all.. You can't even get Iraq for urself, coz the US will only give contracts for themselves. Then u'll be begging business from them. Hah!
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Posted: 2003-03-29 12:09:00
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Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It's already tomorrow in Iraq
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Posted: 2003-03-31 03:34:00
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I feel sorry 4 the kid's
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Posted: 2003-03-31 05:06:00
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yeah
so very sad
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Posted: 2003-03-31 09:09:00
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For all the bleeiding heart liberal asswipes out there..I want to ask you a question. Why are you so against the US invading Iraq? Take a moment to think about the bullshit answer you're going to give me like:
1) The US are killing innocent people and civilians in the process.
Bullshit. You don't give a shit about innocent people. Why didn't you protest when Saddam was (still is) killing innocent people, including children, women, and muslims? Where were your protests when Saddam used chemical weapons (nerve and mustard gas) on the people of Halabja back in 1988 when he killed over 5000 people? Or what about all the other wars and upheavals in other countries where innocent people are killed? This point is moot.
2) The US wants to control the oil
Hey Dumbass. OIL is traded openly on the World Market. The US doesn't need to invade Iraq for the oil. Why would the US spend over 200 billion dollars and risk lives for something that can be bought on the open market? Besides, the US HAS enough money to buy all the oil in Iraq. Again, point moot.
3) The US went against the UN security council.
Oh really? Did you know that the US HAS the right to attack Iraq? Back in 1991, an article was drawn up that Iraq HAD to comply with. This included getting rid of any WMD, manufacturing of chemical weapons and so on. To this Date, Iraq has NOT complied. They continue to be un-cooperative with UN inspectors. The US is tired of all the bullshit and we sure aren't going to sit on our asses and wait for Iraq to use it's arsenal. Iraq has been and still is a threat to our National security. Since the UN was formed back in 1945, there have been over 200 wars. Why is it that you all only bitch about this one?
To you nimrods who are protesting this war..you don't have a nice clue do you? The protestors are not Anti-War..they are Anti-American. This hatred towards America has exisited for years now. And what a great opportunity for all the bleeding heart liberal asswipes to ventilate their hatred towards America by using this crisis in Iraq to do so.
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Posted: 2003-03-31 10:54:00
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@ diggy
U r the most dis-illusioned person ive ever met..
Uve bin spoon-fed all that crap, and uve just repeaed it...
I cud swear Colin Powell, Rumsfeld & Bush have sed the same thing as U...God bless CNN, LoL
U say Saddam kills his own ppl ?
So do the leaders of Zimbabwe, China, North Korea, Libya, the list is Endless... Wat gives the USA to go into Iraq ?
As for buying all of the oil, hahahahaha DREAM ON!
The US is $3 TRILLION in debt.... Now im sure ur smart enuff to kno that that is a Shit load of money, if the IS was to take control of Iraqi Oil, that wud mean Oil Contracts to US firms ONLY... Which wud mean that the US economy wud get a boost, which wud Reduce the USA's national debt... Hav U heard this be4 little boy ? Its called Economics.. (im sure if u wer older than 12 ud know this)
As for the Arab World being jealous of the USA's democracy, will this is absolutely rubbish..
The USA has more gun crimes, alcohilics and LARGe drug problems... Y wud the Arab/Muslim world want this?
Y wud the USA want a USA military gov't to run IRaq for a yr N not the UN ?
So as to let US firms ONLY get contracts in Iraq, so the USA economy gets a boost...
Please try next time to use a good argument, and not the 'Everybody hates the USA' record, thats getting a bit old now
L8rs
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Posted: 2003-04-01 00:09:00
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diggy wrote:
3) The US went against the UN security council.
Oh really? Did you know that the US HAS the right to attack Iraq? Back in 1991, an article was drawn up that Iraq HAD to comply with. This included getting rid of any WMD, manufacturing of chemical weapons and so on. To this Date, Iraq has NOT complied. They continue to be un-cooperative with UN inspectors. The US is tired of all the bullshit and we sure aren't going to sit on our asses and wait for Iraq to use it's arsenal. Iraq has been and still is a threat to our National security. Since the UN was formed back in 1945, there have been over 200 wars. Why is it that you all only bitch about this one?
DiggI 1 quistion 4 u what gave the US the right to invade and "free Iraq" based on the Un article u are talking bout when the same UN did not agree to invade Iraq at this point in time there have been 16 or so article's to tel Iraq to comply keeping in mind that there are 64 or so articles telling Israel to comply killing inocent ppl and get the hell out of palastine where the F&*% is the US to make Israel comply with these UN articles??? they are not there cause there is no money to be earned there besides selling arms to Israel and whats up with the Bush adm selling contracts to Texas comp to rebuild "Free Iraq" company where Cheney and Rumsfelt us to work smeeeeellllllss like coruption doesnt it and the only thing we been hearinn on cnn news is that they US secured this or that oilfield wich city in the meanwhile did they secure !!!!!! to keep those ppl safe and free arent theire live's more imp than those oilfields wich they are keeping safe??? did they not go there to free the ppl!!!!! arent they first priority
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Posted: 2003-04-01 02:02:00
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