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The Arc is a beautiful device from SE … really well thought out.

Samsung's AT&T model just announced, Motorola Atrix 4G have BOTH been promised to deliver 2.3 Gingerbread.

The Motorola Atrix 4G and their Xoom tablet will ship Q1 of 2011 which has been repeated as February in-store across the USA and late February in Europe by Orange UK from their press release!! That is a dual-core Tegra 2 being shipped. No more excuses beyond the obvious: a) SE is waiting for a better announcement beyond just a dual core as a sales point but something users can ENJOY - PSPPhone, or b) Waiting on Qualcomm they, like HTC got screwed.

Qualcomm recent press has announced that the Atheros company would be purchased … Atheros played a BIG role in early Linux wlan success since they open-sourced their drivers for use while the competition did NOT. I recall hunting far & wide for a Linksys PCI card to use in my desktop for Fedora Core 2/3/4 to be used; chipset support was built-in to the kernel or easily downloaded & installed.

I've said since the official release announcement of The Arc that the key to its success is PRICING! Everything else is there including HDMI out support - I'm unsure about video calling support with secondary camera though - but it'll do well.

I still think SE has something waiting, and I still say the time is right for SE to deliver a Tablet and offer their media services worldwide - not just Europe/Asia as target markets. Apple will have a hard time going up against the competition this year.
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Posted: 2011-01-08 23:57:46
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ok first off i never said arc was a shit phone. i merely responded to some peoples posts about "wow the arc is the best phone announced so far" i was just correcting that fact, that if you look at the hardware specs it is hardly the best phone at CES, maybe the sexiest but not the best imo ofcourse. also people mentioning ( a.k.a KU ) that "well surprised you with arc specs" was not true imo. 90% of rumoured spec was what showed up in final announcement, so no, i dont believe there was some pleasant surprise, the phone was as expected, ofcourse bar the sexy design (if you really care about that stuff), which i dont hold in high regard when choosing a phone to last me 1 year, especially when it is most likely to be priced as a top high-end phone (my guess, but im pretty sure it will be).

also yes, i am very very disappointed with so far rumoured psphone specs. now i know you say wait till it actually comes out they may change but going by history with the arc roumours then announcement im pretty confident that psphone will have same specs as rumoured of now. this disappoints me greatly. imo ofcourse i hardly believe qualcomm/adreno setup is best for gaming.

now i know you say it is specialised gaming device, optimized, etc but i dont believe this, how is this optimized in any hardware spec way? it is qualcomm/adreno ffs, same as HTS desire HD and Desire Z, imo this does not qualify as optimized for gaming. yes you can optimize software to better run on such hardware but you'll hit limits way sooner. for example you can re-map an ECU on a car to get more HP but very soon you'll hit a limit and you have to now buy and add new parts and hardware.

For me this specs for psphone looks like a 2010 spec android phone with gamepad attached, that is all. i was really really hoping for some hardware spec attuned to real gaming. it would be better if made a gaming device first then added phone support, but this one they have made a normal mediocre android phone then added a gamepad.

i hear you people say that there are no games to really use dual-core anyway. i know this is true and yes current games are absolutely fine on current specs. but again this psphone may be announced in feb meaning like may/june release. which also means at least a few dual-core phones now in the market from other manufacturers. we can already see some games at CES running on dual-core phones and new tech. yes they will run on qualcomm/adreno but soon mark my words near end of 2011 a lot more developers are going to cater for better hardware, also keep in mind new iphone when that comes out. gaming boom will hit.

although psphone might do well with specific games written for its hardware, i really wanted to see psphone as a true mobile gaming device! this means i want to play my emulators, snes, genesis, psx AND new android titles that will inevitably come out! not just psphone titles, i would then rather buy the new psp2 if i could only play psphone titles well. Qualcomm/adreno hardware will reach its limit quick in this area IMO ofcourse. although yes you may be able to play psphone games fine, what about everything else? at the end of the day was'nt it meant to be an ANDROID gaming device?

i'll say this; i hope i am 100% wrong and surprise me big time! there is no one here more than me that wants this psphone to be a huge hit. but so far with rumoured specs about it, im not impressed. it does'nt have to be dual-core, it does'nt have to have 1080p record (i dont really care about this), but it needs better specialized gaming hardware specs! not avergae android phone specs with gamepad attached. they should make it like psp hardware, maybe a specialized cpu/gpu architecture similar to psp running maybe at 666MHz, then add android platform on top. IMO thats a better way to do it.

anyway lets hope im wrong and MY rumours about psphone are completely untrue! i wish this so much, not just for me but for success everywhere.

peace out!
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Posted: 2011-01-09 01:31:59
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@zub: I give you a 20/20, because it is really impressive and I understand your disapointment . But actually as you are saying that psphone is shit, you said that the outdated hardware from the arc make it a shit phone, in addition to that in the second half of 2011 tegra 3 will make tegra 2 outdated!!! And you can't denie it as Samsung Orion and Qualcom's already do. So you're satement isn't sensible as whatever hardware SE put in this phone after sometimes you are going to say something like "why doesn't SE strike hard with X quadcore, 2gb ram and 64 gb internal memory because Droid does ( )"... Once again I repeat that the arc is excelent because you can do everything (apart video calls ) with it, and in these days the tech advances are 4G fast that even apple shit phones with stuppendus capability can't keep on without software combo's (Itune+mac+iphone+ipod with restriction and optimisations and that's all). So I don't understand why you whine about the xperia play because as I said SE isn't stupid enough to let people letdown their own game center to go for android or nvidia ones because it is the most silly way to go... And a it goes the solution is simple take this consolephone optimised games or go for the micro PC with nvidia ship (give money to SE or nvidia ).
Plus since satio I don't really believe the phone specs leaks (apart from rog, mizzle, se-first and virgile), because the friend/brother/slave (:-P) working at SE always make mistakes, even eldar prefered to show the chinese preview instead of making one.
Anyone has some info about the big front facing camera phone ???

Edit: neocore results xperia arc 63.4 fps and optimus 2X 67fps...
I SE

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Posted: 2011-01-09 02:57:18
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to me :-

1) SE has outdone themselves.
2) SE always manage to come out with a design that distinguished them from the rest. How many time we've seen samsung, HTC, LG come out with a copycat design or lookalike design. SE has a good designer that differentiate themselves from making iphone-like design.
3) The UI and performance (based on the youtube video) are on their own league.

Congrats SE !
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Posted: 2011-01-09 03:14:23
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ok, one; again i didnt say arc is shit or psphone is shit. yes the hardware is good but for todays standard not mid 2011 imo. as for arc im sure it is good enough to do everything that it needs, but im not too concerned about arc i am disappointed with psphone. now i am not saying the hardware is shit per se what im trying to say that it is the wrong type of hardware setup i would expect for a gaming mobile device! did you even read my post fully? i clearly said it does'nt need to be dual-core or whatever but i feel in some way at least it has to have some sort of specialized hardware for gaming, and i feel qualcomm/adreno combo is a poor choice!

also neocore benchmark cant be trusted for dual-core phones! it is not made for dual-core benchmarking! plus i believe it is based on running benchmarks on old Open GL, so wont give good results on graphic performance for todays phones! i used qualcomm/adreno in both HTC Desire HD and Desire Z, in REAL WORLD apps and games. and i can say the performance is good, but i can already see its limits, plus a year old hummingbird/old powerVR, can do the same performance which, i dont know is not a good sign to me.
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Posted: 2011-01-09 03:30:59
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Like for arc extra offering (mobile-review mistakes ), the psphone will have some and I am defenitly sure of that. too tired of this thread even the benchmarks are wrong and shitty outdated ... Waiting for MWC 2011 fires after all these snobfogs...

I SE
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Posted: 2011-01-09 03:40:48
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Anybody who's anybody knows neocore is old and outdated and can't be taken as a sold reliable benchmark

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Posted: 2011-01-09 04:16:53
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FFS, STOP CRYING!

Do you even know what a gaming SYSTEM is all about? DO you know why some games run better on an iPhone 3Gs than say, a Galaxy S which has infinitely better hardware? Because the developer wrote the code for ONE device instead of a dozen.

The PSP Phone would be a single platform for which gaming code would be written, not one of many. It doesn't matter what is under the hood. Snapdragon, Adreno, whatever (You speak of these like it's second nature to you. Have you even SEEN a Snapdragon up close? But I digress). It could be an old ARM11 and it'd still work swell. Do you know what the hardware specs of the PSP? Look it up and you'll understand that it's doing so much with so little.

Here's something to think about. It's not just about the hardware. It's about code optimization. Things work so much better when you only have to code for one specific device. I couldn't care less what's under the hood if I could play Tekken 6 well on the device (And yes, it's coming as per some reports).

People like you are worse than those who judge a book by its cover. You judge 'em by the ISBN tag.

Seriously, FFS, stop whining until it's actually out and you get the feel of ot first hand. We heard you the first 50 times. We don't need to see the whining in every page.
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Posted: 2011-01-09 04:39:02
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@synn
sadly, spec sheets are what most seem to care about these days. They seem to forget that if the software side of things...

Even with out dual care, bla bla bla, if the software has been implemented properly (ie, written to ensure you get the most of the hardware) theres no reason why phones like the ARC, PSP phone etc cant run smoothly...

Even with the most advanced hardware, if the software isnt right, then that hardware wont work too well!!!
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Posted: 2011-01-09 06:08:30
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im sorry but last time i checked this was an ANDROID gaming device, right? you really think developers will just stop with every other device and just start coding games for the psphone? and if you read my posts properly you would see i clearly wrote that "yes games made for the psphone would probably run great". but i was looking at the bigger picture! a truely mobile gaming device! perhaps i missed something and maybe this phone was'nt meant to be that?



again, i dont think you read my posts correctly. i would be happy if they implemented a cpu/gpu architecture similar to that of the psp, i know its so little hardware but does great things, but you forget this is completely different architecture specifically attuned to gaming! which i feel the psphone should have! hardware for gaming! and qualcomm/adreno is not really, its just standard android phone hardware. am i wrong in this?



again this is ANDROID. forget this one device mentality. yes psphone titles will likey run great, but as mentioned in my previous posts, i was thinking this should be a complete gaming experience that will run all games, emulated or android games alike. developers will be no doubt creating great games utilising better and better hardware that will be outside the rumoured psphone spec sheet. imagine the new iphone comes out, new games for it, you'll get ANDROID ports following for all android devices not just one psphone device. how will psphone hardware match up by 2012?



im sorry you feel that way. im just responded to people views, as you are now. and im discussing the rumoured psphone, is'nt that allowed?

i feel there are too many people here who are too much in love with and whenever someone says something about that may not be in the best light, then he gets whacked. i'm sorry if i've offended anyone, but maybe im just trying to see the bigger picture here, i like , but i am also ready to criticize where i think they are going wrong. Problem?
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Posted: 2011-01-09 06:22:42
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